Economics Corner with Paul Krugman and Winston’s Mom

by | Oct 2, 2020 | Economy, Federal Power, Markets, Taxes | 144 comments

Here’s the latest without the New York Times paywall.

The bombshell New York Times report on Donald Trump’s tax returns is a remarkable feat of journalism. The team deserves special praise for making their findings comprehensible to general readers and not getting lost in the details.

Supposedly, whoever the “team” obtained them from is in violation of federal law, punishable by imprisonments in a federal pound me in the ass prison.  But kudos to them for framing it in a manner thst makes it look like Trump did something, wrong, unethical, or even illegal…..

Yet like many other revelations in the Trump era, the tax news falls into the category of “shocking but not surprising.” Many observers had already surmised that Trump paid little or no taxes, that his claims of brilliant business success were a fiction, and that he is deep in debt. Now all of that is virtually confirmed. But what does it mean for America’s future?

Everyone will come at this question from their own angle. When I read the Times report, I quickly found myself thinking about … the theory of business capital structure. No, really.

…in the DOPE SHOW

I don’t believe you.  You were probably in an office playing with dolls. one of them with glasses and a beard, a tweed coat, bound and gagged with a Necktie, all while watching a Marylin Manson action figure ass bang a 12” GI Joe.

For many people, no doubt, the main takeaway from the tax revelations will be “$750? Really?” The fact that Trump paid less in taxes than tens of millions of hardworking Americans struggling to make ends meet is an outrage. It’s also easy to explain in a few seconds, which is why it’s the theme of a quickly released ad from the Biden

From a substantive point of view, however, Trump’s tax avoidance is less important than the confirmation of what many already suspected: His carefully cultivated image of being a hugely successful businessman is, as he would say, fake news. In fact, he has done a terrible job of running his businesses.

Why does this matter? Voters often seem to believe that effective business leaders have the skills and knowledge to lead the nation as a whole. They’re wrong about that. Even genuinely great businesspeople — people like, say, Herbert Hoover — are often very bad at public policy, including economic policy, because the skills needed to run a business and those required to steer a nation are very different.

It doesn’t matter.  It doesn’t matter at all.  Voters didn’t give a shit about his taxes four years ago.  And suggesting Biden is somehow clean in this “controversy” is conveniently forgetting the federaL tax code is written and voted on by congress—-a bed Biden shat in since the 70’s.  Its also signed into law and implemented by the president.  Keep in mind, there were no shortage of changes to the federal tax code when Obamacare was signed into law.

Back to wrong unethical or even illegal…if Trumps tax returns infered any of this he would’ve been prosecuted already,  So there is no reason to be angry at Trump for abiding by the tax code When Biden clearly made it possible for Trump to file without paying anything.

In Trump’s case, however, the old joke is true: He isn’t a great businessman, he just played one on TV. It should come as no surprise, then, that he has been consistently hapless at devising policy. On just about every front, from diplomacy to infrastructure to trade wars to fighting a pandemic, he has been Midas in reverse.

How much will the revelation that he has always been a fraud hurt him? Many of his supporters will probably refuse to acknowledge the truth, perhaps because they won’t admit to themselves how completely they were scammed. But assuming that the news will have no effect at all is probably too cynical. And remember, Trump is running behind Joe Biden, so he has to do more than keep his base — and this may not do much to win over undecided voters.

Weren’t you saying this shit four years ago?  I’ll be charitable and assume you did like everyone else, right before you made more dumbass comments.

The most important revelation from the Times report, however, is its confirmation of another thing many observers already suspected: Trump has hundreds of millions in personal debt. It’s unclear whether he has the resources to repay it.

Personal financial trouble has always been a red flag when it comes to filling sensitive government positions because it’s an open invitation to corruption

So the confirmation that the nation’s chief law enforcement and national security official — whose business empire already offers many opportunities for undue influence — is drowning in debt is chilling.

Hey dumbass.  Its called Google.  You put in a search queery, such as, “estimated value of Trump Tower” and out pops an article like this one estimating it at $471 million.  Another one like, “Trumps personal debts” gives you another article like this one estimating it at $421 million.

Nevermind Forbes estimates his net worth at $2.1 billionwhich even with the Commie-virus losses is in similar in scale to the average American getting a home equity loan.  Oh, and the way scroungy fucks like you scream bloody murder whenever the government shuts down, its clear to me people in sensitive government positions live paycheck to paycheck.

Beyond that, analysts of business finance — I told you I’d get there — have long known that high levels of debt, enough to pose a substantial risk of bankruptcy, create destructive incentives. Instead of investing in the future, the owners of highly indebted businesses are tempted to engage in asset stripping, getting the money out before the creditors stake their claims. This is, by the way, the charge being leveled at Eddie Lampert, the former chief executive of Sears (and Steven Mnuchin, the secretary of the Treasury).

Owners of debt-hobbled businesses are also tempted to take big risks, even at bad odds, because if they get lucky, they might save themselves; if they don’t, it’s someone else’s problem. Heads they win, tails the creditors lose.

So now we have a deeply indebted business owner with every incentive to engage in malfeasance — except that in addition to running his business, he’s running the United States of America.

But he may be about to lose that special position and whatever financial defense it may provide.

Obviously it provides nothing, since the source that gave them to the Times probably did so illegally.

Think about that. Also think about the fact that Trump constantly complains about almost nonexistent voter fraud — he has never accepted the fact that he lost the popular vote four years ago — and that he has repeatedly refused to say that he will accept election results if he loses. And tell me that you aren’t terrified about what the next few weeks may hold.

Non. Existent. Voter. Fraud.  If it didn’t exist, I wouldn’t be able to find  three examples in a ten second Google search, YOU DUMBFUCK.

And its fantastic he didn’t win the popular vote.  It makes it more fun when a cock tease like you complains about it.  Either move to Venezuela, man the fuck up and change the Constitution, or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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Winston's Mom

Winston's Mom

Biological mother of Winston.

144 Comments

  1. TARDis

    I like Winston’s Mom in her undies. Just sayin’.

    • SandMan

      #metoo, the pic of her smoking, not so much.

  2. UnCivilServant

    Sorry, I’m broke. No chaste sitcom-esque situations tonight.

    • Winston's Mom

      No money means no service. Get the fuck outta here, you’re scaring away all the paying customers!

  3. TARDis

    For many people, no doubt, the main takeaway from the tax revelations will be “$750? Really?” The fact that Trump paid less in taxes than tens of millions of hardworking Americans struggling to make ends meet is an outrage.

    Have your congress critter change the law, whiner. I don’t like it either.

    • UnCivilServant

      They don’t want that, the NYT takes advantage of the exact same loss rollover rules.

      • TARDis

        As does my master as well, I’m guessing.

      • robc

        I paid $750 less than Trump during the same time frame.

    • Ted S.

      Maybe the standard deduction/exemption should be much higher then.

    • LJW

      It’s irresponsible “journalism” to say he only paid $750 in taxes then fail to explain why.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      And for many people it won’t.

    • Rhywun

      I read somewhere it’s complete bullshit in that he had to pay the alternative minimum tax or whatever that thingie is called, yes in rolled over tax credits or some shit, and the 750 bucks was the cash difference. And he’s paid millions over the years etc. etc.

      But that doesn’t make for a good GOTCHA!

      • Sean

        This. ⬆

      • Rhywun

        And when you’re rolling in that much dough, you have up years and down years. I don’t give two shits about his business dealings but I suspect that for every losing year there was a winning year that the NYT carefully conceals.

      • Chafed

        That would have to be the case. Otherwise he would have been broke long ago.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        No dude. Putin has been subsidizing him to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars for decades precisely because everybody knew he was going to be President.

      • LCDR_Fish

        Don’t have a link now, but apparently it actually specified in the article that he paid 1.x million in 2016 and 4.x million in 2017 in income tax (in addition to the $750 – not sure why the $750 keeps getting trotted out).

        Also, even NRO has pointed out that the loopholes/changes/etc he took advantage of were specifically enabled by the democrat congress under Obama.

      • Gender Traitor

        he paid 1.x million in 2016 and 4.x million in 2017 in income tax

        Next year, Imma fill out my tax return ALL in Roman numerals.

      • Count Potato

        Render unto Caesar?

  4. Count Potato

    I wonder if Paul Krugman ever reads these? He seems like the kind who would google his own name.

    • UnCivilServant

      Do these show up on a search though?

      • TARDis

        Only as “fuckwit”.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Google “Glibertarians”…nope, at least not directly.

      • UnCivilServant

        I haven’t used google search… in a long time. It’s amazing how easy it was to drop them.

      • westernsloper

        Do a search on Winston’s Mom and you get herpes. Do a search on Krugman you get idiocy. I’ll take herpes.

      • TARDis

        I’ll skip both, thank you very much.

      • Mostly Peaceful JaimeRoberto

        Idiocy is forever. Herpes is just occasional.

  5. Rebel Scum

    The fact that Trump paid less in taxes than tens of millions of hardworking Americans struggling to make ends meet is an outrage.

    Except he didn’t.

    It’s also easy to explain in a few seconds, which is why it’s the theme of a quickly released ad from the Biden

    No, “news” media coordinating with the campaign explains that.

    • Mad Scientist

      You mean like the tshirts that were on sale before the article even came out?

  6. Rhywun

    high levels of debt, enough to pose a substantial risk of bankruptcy, create destructive incentives

    But enough about the federal, state, and local governments and special districts.

    • Cancelled

      For the prophet of MMT to say this says everything you need to know about his intellectual honesty.

  7. Rhywun

    he has never accepted the fact that he lost the popular vote four years ago

    See, this is the dead giveaway that Kruggers is trolling us. There is no way he is that stupid.

  8. The Other Kevin

    The guys been president for 4 years. Which means you judge him by the job he’s done so far, and all I’ve heard about that is he “mishandled” the rona, whatever that’s means. I saw a Biden commercial with a woman worried about “if Trump takes our healthcare.” If he wanted to do something like that he would have.

    • Rebel Scum

      “mishandled” the rona

      When he did one of the few things within the authority of the federal gov’t (close the border with China) Biden called him a xenophobe. People do not respect the fact that the states are intended to be separate political entities that have a common government among them that is delegated certain powers, mostly having to do with foreign policy.

    • Mad Scientist

      “if Trump takes our healthcare.”

      Right? Biden wants to be first in line to do that.

      • Sean

        Biden can go back to his basement. He’s not gonna win.

  9. pistoffnick

    Well, Paul, you are welcome to pay more in taxes. Here is a link: https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/public/gifts-to-government.html

    Me? I want to pay less. I think government(s) squander(s) my taxes. I don’t feel like I am getting very good value for all the money I pay.

    • Fourscore

      I too, want to pay less. I too think the government is squandering Pissoffnick’s taxes, along with mine and everyone else’s. As we know it’s impossible to reduce spending, ’cause of the special interests. Eliminate the Department of Education, Energy, Commerce, Labor ad infinitum. Cut the State Dept by 2/3rd.

      Not only aren’t those going away, they will grow. At this point I’m all for letting the debt grow, rather than trying to keep up with the taxes. When the crash comes it’ll level the playing field, Save rope and recycle when you use it, we’re gonna need it.

      I want to be a judge when the SHTF, there’s gonna be some re-education going on.

  10. OBJ FRANKELSON

    So the choice is a guy that used, (the lawyers/accountants that he retained did, to be precise) the arcane elements of the tax code and a guy that says that an idea is smashing up American cities?

    Yeah, this tax thing is going to swing exactly zero votes one way or the other.

    • OBJ FRANKELSON

      “that says that an idea”

      *Lights the Edit Fairy signal*

    • Sean

      Eep. That’s some cringe right there.

      • Winston's Mom

        Thats me the morning after.

  11. Count Potato

    “In 2018, Joaquin Oliver was shot and killed in the Parkland school shooting.
    His parents used AI to bring him back to tell people how voting can prevent these kinds of tragedies from happening to any more families.”

    https://twitter.com/ChangeTheRef/status/1312024331225051136

    That’s just creepy.

    • blackjack

      Those are some creepy assed parents, using an effigy of their dead son to shill for second rate dictators. Speaking of which, though, anybody else notice there hasn’t been any notable mass shooting this whole year? It’s like fucking everything else up fixed that one thing. One weird trick, if you will.

      • Lackadaisical

        All the disaffected people have different outlets now?

      • blackjack

        Maybe. I don’t know why they do it and I don’t know why they stop. Maybe they’re all out rioting.

      • Count Potato

        Schools were closed?

      • blackjack

        Yeah, it’s probably hard to find a crowd to shoot at, lately.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      We must emote harder!

  12. LCDR_Fish

    Been enjoying the Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew show a lot lately on podcasts – shorter format, several times and week and you can hear Adam getting more and more libertarian/pissed off every week.

    IIRC he’s actually planning to move to Texas…or is that Rogan? Either way, he’s getting ready to blow his top.

    https://drdrew.com/adam-and-dr-drew-show/

    • blackjack

      Dr. Drew is (or was, anyway) on a radio show I used to listen to on my way home. He would almost start to make sense sometimes, and then go right off the deep end. Strongly infavor of forced conservatorships for homeless. Likes forced treatment for drug addicts, almost as if he doesn’t realize that treatment only works when it’s sought out by the addict. More likely he realizes that forced treatment will make him a ton of money.

      • Ownbestenemy

        KROQ Loveline was always a favorite to listen to coming home from hockey practice when I was 17. Taught me there were a lot of girls that liked to have sex.

      • blackjack

        I learned that the hard way, IYKWIM!

      • Ownbestenemy

        I remember the night when the guitarist(bassist) from Pennywise locked himself drunk off his ass in the studio on Loveline…..hence Offspring rise and not Pennywise in the 90s.

      • slumbrew

        A legendary night:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NSP2IRz5hA

        Pennywise return to the show after a 4 year hiatus (soft ban) imposed after Fletcher vomited all over Dr. Drew, the console and studio during their last visit in 1995 before Adam Carolla started on the show.
        Fletcher holds the hosts hostage claiming he has a grenade while threatening to take them to “Poo Poo City!” A Legendary Episode.

      • slumbrew

        (either the poster and I think alike or the “legendary” bit registered with me subconsciously – I just noticed it after I posted).

      • LCDR_Fish

        Well, they’ve both been emphasizing the last few shows that all this “fix the homeless” problem in CA – is a lot of money absolutely wasted since 99% of the homeless there have addictions or mental illness. From some of his appearances on other shows the last few years, I think Drew has changed some of his views since the 90s.

        As Adam keeps saying – (granted there are always exceptions to the rule) – virtually nobody loses their job and then starts sleeping on the sidewalk the next night.

      • blackjack

        Yup, it’s certain kind of person who will appropriate a chunk of public land and turn it into his own personal bicycle junkyard without any shame. None of what’s been done or proposed will fix it. Somebody just has to tell that asshole he can’t do that, hopefully calling him “Buddy” at the same time.

      • mikey

        I remember reading an interview with a “homeless advocate” who was asked what per centage of the people she deals with are homeless because of job loss, health care costs, etc. She said fewer than 10% and they’re not a problem – they work out their problems and get on with their lives. They’re seldom homeless for long.

    • cyto

      Adam and Drew both regularly trash all of California’s leadership, but have particular disdain for Los Angeles (their home). And they reserve it for the simple things, like picking up the garbage on the highway. You have to admit that it would be especially galling to pay their level of taxes to the city and have broken toilets lining the freeway on their way home from work every day, while the mayor and city council work on their global warming green energy fines for putting a driveway too close to a tree.

      Ben Shapiro is planning to move his entire company to Texas, post haste… Rogan already left for Texas, I believe.

      • LCDR_Fish

        Yeah, I’ve been getting that Adam is pretty much the urban flipside to VDH’s rural “everything is going to hell” rants – although I have yet to listen to his podcasts.

  13. hayeksplosives

    I ain’t sayin Melania’s a gold digga, but supermodels don’t marry broke-ass Cheetos.

    That should be enough proof.

    • Sean

      Heh. You ain’t wrong.

      Trump will be fine. And re-elected.

  14. pan fried wylie

    random thought – why do different kinds of jerky contain different amounts of iron?

    My guess is water content.

  15. Ownbestenemy

    Whoo-hooo! I haven’t lived in CA since 2003 and have been out of the military since 2008 yet I still get the absentee ballot (which I last legally voted in 2009 in CA before moving to NV). Got it today. So much for purging voter rolls eh?

    • hayeksplosives

      For heavens sake, fill it out! We can use all the help we can get.

      Bring back Uber!

      • Ownbestenemy

        Knowing me, I would be the ONE fraudulent ballot the Dems highlight they found. It will be in the firepit tonight.

  16. Rhywun

    Holy shit… my Congress-creature race must be heating up because I’m actually seeing those kind of ads that are “not affiliated with any specific candidate” – yeah, right – for the first time ever.

    • blackjack

      I just found out there’s a “democrats against Newsom” group. Maybe the recall effort will grow legs. I signed it with relish.

      • hayeksplosives

        Good. New some is a threat to democracy.

      • Count Potato

        That’s kind of weird. Were you eating a hot dog at the time?

      • one true athena

        printed it out.

        And got my sample ballot today.

        JFC what a load. I should do an article about all of them and their fuckery.

    • Tulip

      Bookmarked for tomorrow

    • cyto

      Only a white supremacist would issue forth such a dog whistle.

    • Tejicano

      Pretty cool development. Interesting that they brought in a BLM representative from out of state. Doubly interesting that – even after the Proud Boys representatives publicly denounced white supremacy – the local BLM representative continued to denounce the Proud Boys as white supremacists.

      • Gustave Lytton

        I forget. What racist ideology is associated with a raised closed fist?

      • blackjack

        As is the custom, these days.

  17. cyto

    You are not nearly hard enough on Krugs here.

    Trump is in real estate. Of course he carries debt. You don’t invest in real estate and just keep the equity idle. You leverage your assets to continue investing and building wealth.

    There’s a second item that goes with that…. the tax code is written to provide incentives for investing in real estate development. So developers get lots of tax advantaged ways of taking risk, writing off losses and carrying debt. No serious real estate developer pays significant taxes during most of their career – they are building wealth, not taking income.

    Plus… word is that Trump took advantage of an Obama change that allowed him to go back and claw back previously paid taxes during the great bust. But I guess that wouldn’t fit the talking points.

    I have not heard a single accountant or tax attorney say anything about this other than “total nothing burger”

    • RAHeinlein

      OK, I’m gonna make this real simple for you – Amazon pays ZERO taxes, yeah, ZERO! Also, Warren Buffet’s tax rate is lower than his SECRETARY! AND, a lot of Republicans have off-shore accounts – why would they need those? The entire tax code is REGRESSIVE!

      • cyto

        Amazon has rarely shown a profit in their 20 some odd years. You don’t pay income tax on your assets, just on your income. That’s why real estate investing is good for taxes… all of your capital keeps working for you instead of getting siphoned off as taxes.

        The downside… unless you are getting incentives from the state to build something they want, you have to pay real estate taxes.

        Still, overall you get to keep more capital working for you.

        Buffet’s gimmick is just that, a gimmick. Dude pays himself a dollar salary. No income tax on that. He pays plenty in (much cheaper) capital gains tax when he pulls cash out.

      • Cancelled

        This entire debate is why the Constitution originally barred direct taxes unless apportioned among the States on the basis of population. Direct taxation of individuals will invariably result in injustice, and it is impossible to even decide who is being treated unjustly, much less minimize the injustice, because there cannot ever be universally agreed standards for judgment. Is a flat dollar amount everyone pays fair? A flat tax rate? A progressive tax rate? There have been arguments proposed for each, and those arguments directly conflict because in the end the disagreement is at the axiom level.

    • Winston's Mom

      You are not nearly hard enough on Krugs here.

      You want my fucking job then, numbnuts?

      • Rebel Scum

        TBF, Krugman probably can’t get hard without a little pharmaceutical help.

    • creech

      I once worked for a small Real Estate Investment Trusts and (unwisely) invested in several large ones with “Blue Chip” lessees. Everyone of those REITs lost money when lessees went bankrupt, apartments dropped below 90% occupancy, or Amazon destroyed the “blue chip” big box anchor stores. Like many businesses, real estate is a real crapshoot no matter the tax code. Even holding raw land is problematic. In my town, there’s one farmer (300 acres) who held out against the developers for years and years, watching his land value soar over $100K per acre. Finally decided to cash in, but has not been able in more than 10 years to convince the local officials to approve the development plans. Why? We are so built up that his parcel, the last big one left, will overwhelm the local roads and school district if allowed to be built for residential use.

  18. Brochettaward

    2 hours and 29 minutes and we are only at 80 comments? Don’t worry – The Bro is here. Let’s get this bitch started.

    • blackjack

      Dude, you are the 81st-est of us all. Kudos.

      • Brochettaward

        The key part of that is First, blackjack. I’m always First.

    • Winston's Mom

      Another premature firsting? No problem. Its not a big deal, and it happens to every guy. ?

      • Brochettaward

        I’m never premature. Nor do I take too long. I take precisely the right amount of time to First. The First amount of time to First.

  19. Gustave Lytton

    Finally made it home. Wife is safe and fine. Incident was several houses down somewhere. We’re in a semi rural area so that’s like 1/8-1/4 mile away. One person in custody, no idea of any injuries. Apparently shot at the cops after a multi hour standoff. Sounds like a backyard bbq of smoking and joking of all the cops present down on the road.

    • Gender Traitor

      Yikes! First I’ve heard of this. I gather your route home was blocked by this incident?

      • Gustave Lytton

        Yeah, roadblock about 1/2 mile from my house.

        Wife texted me late this afternoon that swat trucks were outside the house and they told her to stay inside. Tried to get home but was stopped there. Both the deputy and dispatch were tight lipped about what was happening or if they have control of the area, other than telling me I didn’t want to be up there (which kind of pissed me off because my wife was at home).

        Considered going through the back forty to get home via the neighbors, but without knowing what the cops were doing or where they were exactly, didn’t think it was a good idea to be walking through the woods. Spotty cell service so could check in with my wife to make sure she was ok from time to time but that was about it.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Grumpy deputy took off and left a more reasonable and pleasant colleague. Chatted with extended neighbors that I’ve never met before as well, so wasn’t terrible other than the waiting.

      • Chafed

        I’m glad you and wife are safe.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Thank you and everyone for the good wishes.

        Despite the many rounds fired, apparently neither the shooter nor the cops were injured.

      • Tejicano

        So they cornered the A-team!

        Hey, really good to hear you are OK.

    • blackjack

      That sound crazy! Glad everyone is OK

    • mikey

      Thx. That one always gets me.
      I used to say I coud play the ukelele – then I saw Jake play.

    • slumbrew

      Cool – I only knew the one from way back in the day, in Central Park

      • slumbrew

        On rewatching both, I gotta go with the older clip. The newer one is more… interesting? but I don’t think I’ll rewatch it the way I do the old one.

    • PudPaisley

      I had the pleasure to see him a couple years ago at the Warren Haynes Xmas Jam. His short set and various collaborations throughout the night were better than I could have ever imagined. The clarity of the notes and his tone were very pleasing to the ear.

      The night started with him and Warren doing this beautiful rendition of Melissa by Allman Brothers Band. Jake has a couple nice little solos.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYbYgcdm_5U

  20. The Other Kevin

    I’ve been staying off Facebook today, but I just checked it out and damn, there are people wishing a certain person dies from Covid. Also plenty of “he never disavowed white supremacists”. Time to clean up my friends list again.

    • Rebel Scum

      he never disavowed white supremacists

      People who still believe this are too propagandized to save.

      I haven’t been on FB for quite a long while. I can only handle conversations in which I present incontrovertible evidence to support my position that is still ignored by said propagandized people for so long.

      • Count Potato

        “People who still believe this are too propagandized to save.”

        I agree. People who believe he never disavowed white supremacists need to be rounded into camps and exterminated.

      • Rebel Scum

        I’d rather take the TJ approach:

        We are all republicans: we are all federalists. If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated, where reason is left free to combat it.

    • Brochettaward

      I think everything that’s been said about The Last Jedi was already said years ago. But there’s The Drinker, trying to get just a little more juice out of it.

      It actually could have been a great movie overall if it didn’t lose its balls, at least with regards to its A plot. Though I’m not some fanboy who cares much about the legacy of Luke so…

      But if you had had the movie end with Rey taking Kylo Ren’s hand, you’d have something interesting and somewhere to go with the third movie. But then they decided to go back to the same Dark vs Jedi storyline for the final act.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        But there’s The Drinker, trying to get just a little more juice out of it.

        What else is he going to review right now?

      • Rebel Scum

        if it didn’t lose its balls, at least with regards to its A plot

        It would have to have a plot in the first place. (and left out the B and C non-plots…)

        legacy of Luke

        Vaporized in the Disney trilogy.

        end with Rey taking Kylo Ren’s hand, you’d have something interesting

        There would have had to have been a general planned story across the movies of the trilogy instead of 2 directors making three movies with conflicting visions of the story.

      • Brochettaward

        The original plan as I understand it wasn’t to have Abram’s direct the third film. I mean, you *can* have different directors and no overarching plan and still succeed. It would have been smarter to have that plan, sure, but it didn’t require it.

        The Last Jedi fucked things up because for all its pretenses of subverting expectations, it reverted to the safe and familiar Star Wars formula at the end. The entire thing was a disjointed mess and all storylines failed, but it actually almost succeeded in creating an interesting set-up for a third movie. But when you have build up this whole new idea of doing away with the Jedi and the Dark Side and then the finale of the movie reverts to just that, you’ve ultimately played it safe. Rian Johnson fucked up because he didn’t have the balls to actually see things through. Or maybe Kennedy wouldn’t let him. Who the hell knows.

        They subverted expectations and tried to break from the past in all the wrong ways. What I’m saying isn’t new, either. Some asshole somewhere has already said as much with regards to all of my points.

        The first movie is now viewed correctly for what it was even at the time. A safe soft reboot filled with stolen and rehashed ideas that didn’t really establish anything new for future movies to build off of. It asked a few questions and that’s about it, but even those were familiar questions.

      • Akira

        I’m a strict Original Trilogist – I love those three and have re-watched them countless times, but as far as I’m concerned the rest of them don’t exist.

    • Brochettaward

      The B and/or C plots in that movie sucked, but the main issue remains that their A story set something up that the creators didn’t have the balls to actually pursue. They broke from the past in the most meaningless, superficial ways possible.

      The Drinker is focusing on the wrong thing. Even if you had some great subplot involving Holdo and whatever Oscar Isaac’s character’s name was (it wasn’t worth remembering), the main story still sucked.

  21. Ownbestenemy

    Everyone on Zoom or has that died out to the ‘watch Festus and Hyperbole’ sleep show?

    • Tulip

      We’re sstill here

      • Rebel Scum

        I always lurk…except when I don’t. . .

      • Ownbestenemy

        Well worth it with a treat of Swiss there. G’night

  22. Rebel Scum

    Something is happening and I don’t like it.

    Tonight I tested positive for COVID-19. My symptoms are mild (light cough) and I’m feeling fine. I have begun a quarantine process in consultation with physicians.

    As always, my heart is with everyone affected by this global pandemic. Red heart

    • Brochettaward

      It’s obvious. Trump catches covid, and then Kellyanne who left the White House already catches it. There are no coincidences. Trump is having an affair with Kellyanne.

      Sugarfree is a lie. He missed the obvious.George Conway is a cuckold.

      • Dr. Fronkensteen

        I thought Trump got it from doing the horizontal mambo with Hope Hicks. Or was it a threesome?

      • Chafed

        It’s an orgy.

    • Urthona

      All the Republicans are gonna be immune to COVID in a few weeks.

  23. Scruffy Nerfherder

    A priest, rabbit, and minister walk into a blood bank. The phlebotomist asks the rabbit what blood type he is. ‘I’m not sure, I think I am a type O.

    • slumbrew

      Booooo! Boooooo!

      (I will steal that joke).

    • SandMan

      clever

    • hayeksplosives

      I admit to a spreading smile

    • KSuellington

      Any bit of good news is good. What a shitshow of a year for personal liberty. We took a massive leap backward in the fight against government interference in our lives. Hopefully we see a pendulum shift back. I used to be optimistic about that, but I don’t know now.

      • Chafed

        From a purely legal perspective, her assertion of power is interesting. Some unfortunate soul is going to be penalized for disobeying her unconstitutional order. Since the MI Supreme Court has ruled there is no longer a debate about the illegality of her orders.

        Let’s say some official levies a fine or a cop arrests someone. It’s a great civil rights lawsuit.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Some unfortunate soul is going to be penalized

        Or fortunate…

      • hayeksplosives

        We are losing the rule of law.

        Brace yourselves for the rise of fiefdoms and warlords.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        You lie. You don’t have a sun sword.