This one has been a long time coming so we’ll get right to it.
This is my review of Bone Haus Brewery Miner’s Debt Black IPA:
This story begins in 2019 when the Soho Forum hosted a debate between LP Chair Nick Sarwark and the hardcore alt-right Christian conservative/podcaster/comedian known as Dave Smith.
Not satisfied with the ReasonTV timetable for releasing the debate on YouTube, they decided to have a rematch over beer the next day on Dave’s podcast. Where this exchange occurred.
I will admit I sent $25 to Gary Johnson’s campaign in 2016, but this was prior to Bill Weld endorsing Hillary Clinton when they got to the point where Evan McMuffin split the contrarian vote enough in Utah there was no way they could make an electoral impact on any single state. This was 96% of my political activism at that point, with the remaining 4% being the $1 contribution to the NRA they added on the transaction when I bought something from J&G in Prescott. They asked politely. Otherwise the LP is bunch of clowns, as pointed out to me on Twitter.
So what changed? Not a lot to be honest, I just decided instead of being entertained by the insanity why not take part in it and make it even more entertaining? If there was anything that became evident this year, the system is easily disrupted by small groups refusing to play along. So I signed up for the LP Mises Caucus, because those clowns in the LP don’t speak for me and I can change that.
Here’s how you can. First go to their website here and sign up.
They will then route you to your state coordinators who will send you additional questionnaires.
Unfortunately, they have a tendency to attract Tulpa, so there are a few interviews involved to ensure they don’t attract those that act in poor faith. In AZ, this was coordinated directly through a county coordinator and later the state coordinator.
Finally, there is a Jizya annual tribute ($25) to be able to vote for party chairs.
The idea of course is to vote for people that actually are libertarians to head the Libertarian party. Some of them might be Dave Smith.
How can I be sure they are actually libertarians? When I spoke with the AZ Organizer I floated the idea of penning this article and if they were comfortable being associated, even casually with this website. As you might have noticed we aren’t the most polite group, and there are dozens of inside jokes (*cough* STEVE SMITH *cough*) that from the outside are distasteful. In the past some LP candidates liked this site but wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole. After explaining this his response was, “I really can’t stop you from writing anything.”
So I am in.
I can’t remember if I reviewed this beer before, so if I did I am just going to do it again. This being a black IPA means it is combination of extremes. It is hopped to an extent I would otherwise find unpleasant had it not been counteracted by burned toast and coffee. Plus this is part of a series where they have a brief story line on the sides of the can. Will I post a photo of that? No, because I don’t want them to sue the site for copyright infringement. The beer is good though if you are into self-punishment. Bone Haus Brewery Miner’s Debt Black IPA: 3.5/5
Black IPA’s were one trend that I wish had stuck around longer. Two local breweries (both well regarded for their IPA’s) both have some solid ones, but they’re rarely brewed and on tap at the brewhouses, even more rarely distributed.
I was hoping to check out the newest brewery in my area today, but when we drove by it didn’t look like they were open. They’ve got the grand opening scheduled for Tuesday, so it was just a hope for a soft opening to be going on the weekend before.
Neph, I have not yet seen the Only Murders show but I will check it out based upon your recommendation. Heil Honey was terrible but the Ferris Bueller series looks decent.
The Ferris Bueller series was terrible… Parker Lewis Can’t Lose had come out before that and was the much better show with a shockingly similar protagonist.
I remember “Parker Lewis Can’t Lose”. It was amusing.
I thought the proper term was IPAs of Color.
Me too.
Also, this Hazy IPA trend needs to go away. I like IPAs, but the hazy ones seem to vary from “okay I guess” to undrinkable swill.
After having consumed far too many IPAs of every description over the last 20 years, I have come to the “intuitively obvious by the light of nature” conclusion that the only good bitter beer is an English Bitter. Those Brits know what they’re doing. All the rest SUCK! SUCK, I TELL YOU!!!
A proper English IPA, not whatever Americans have done to it, is good too.
I tend to think of those as just overlapping categories of “good Brit beer,” so yeah.
I’ve just suffered through my least favorite beer season of the year (Marzens/Oktoberfests/Pumpkin beers), so you can take my Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale from my cold dead hands!
We also just started to get Bearded Iris beers around me, so I’ve got access to even more IPA’s!
Do you mind sticking the IBU #s up there on your reviews – if relevant?
55 IBU
https://untappd.com/BoneHausBrewing/beer
Thanks. I generally stay away from >40.
But yeah…not sure if it’s something you could include on the reviews next to the ABV going forward?
But I don’t always have that on hand either. ?
I really don’t understand how a black brew can be considered a PALE ale.
It was a marketing thing. One of the first beers to fit the mold of the Black IPA was Avery New World Porter, malt bill of a regular porter, but hopping schedule of an IPA.
It’s progic.
Pale is relative. They didn’t call it “The Black Hole of Calcutta” for nothing.
That’s a massive oversimplification.
Which, as we all know, is the best kind of oversimplification. ;-)
You missed the gravity of my comment.
He’s kind of dense
I *think* they’re just pale ales – i.e., mostly pale malt – with a bit of darker malt thrown in for color and a touch of flavor, then hopped like an IPA.
As opposed to a porter or stout, which would use less pale malt and more mid-range malt for a deeper color and fuller mouthfeel, along with more dark malt for color and flavor.
But I haven’t brewed in ages, so I may be wrong.
Actually sounds like something I would like. Thanks.
Missed the “unsold tv pilots” thread this morning – but one I will recommend – esp for comics fans or Warren Ellis fans – is the pilot for “Global Frequency”. I can probably upload if anyone is looking for it and can’t find it.
Pretty good – and as an unsold promo pilot, essentially the entire soundtrack is Muse tracks ;p
Weird to think about it now, but that comic book could only be set in the early 00s. Once smartphones came out it was completely irrelevant.
Speaking of tv shows
https://youtu.be/HRNqGmAgww0
I skipped it the first. I guess history will repeat itself.
That sounds awesome and I’m looking for it now. Thank you.
Wow this is reminding me… there was a pilot for “17th Precinct” (Ron Moore’s followup to Battlestar Galactica, featuring some of the BSG alum) that was produced but not aired. At the time, only the script “leaked” (pretty sure Ron did it himself, when the pilot wasn’t picked up) but I never saw the show. Script was delightfully bananas. If you have a link through your underground pals… I wouldn’t say no. 😉
78 year old silenced Sten gun. Holy mackerel, it’s quiet – https://youtu.be/nqCKxHhjrn4
I’d love a suppressed Sterling.
Speaking of bolt noise. Worst feeling when you hear a M60 bolt going *clunk* and failing to fire when initiating an ambush. Well, if you’re the one initiating. If you’re in the other side, it’s wow, that was nice of them to give a warning.
Where this exchange occurred.
Fuck Nicholas Sarwark. I am happy that he got the boot.
Everyone should watch part of that. He’s awful. And completely oblivious to how he’s carrying water for the progs’ divisive racism strategy. And a smug unemotional asshole to boot.
I don’t mean emotional in terms of outburst but the guy is sitting there stonefaced with almost no facial movement.
Sarwark likes to use the ever-shifting definition of racism to maneuver against his political competitors.
He’s a loathsome character.
He’s a ladder climbing narcissistic twat that likes to virtue signal his wokeness. Every exchange I’ve ever seen him in, he behaves like this.
As the former Chair of a state LP Party, I would characterize at least some of the LP as “Ineffectual and outnumbered cats refusing to be herded.”
Sounds like people here.
Meow
Well….nuts. I’ve tried 2 additional apps – I got partial video through my endoscope on one of them – then nothing. This is just an insane pain in the ass. May just have to splurge to have someone come and take a professional look. (re: possible plumbing leak i’ve previously posted about).
Yeah, that’s how endoscopes work alright.
you use that joke every time….
Fish go back and read your comment. If NA didn’t say it, many of us would.
Also…re: Fredericksburg Glibs Meetups. Just posted in the forum – for Veterans Day Matt will almost certainly have a free sandwich offer – traditionally the Southern Cookout Melt – with proof of ID.
Planning to be there for lunch tomorrow and Thursday.
Good idea. I’m going to be down at FBurg USPSA tomorrow, and I should be done in time for a late lunch, maybe 1:30pm or so?
Sorry, you’ll probably miss me – I’m stopping there on the way back from church so probably closer to noon.
Well, nuts. Guess it’s just beer and sandwiches. then…
Have the Mises Caucus people in the LPNH totally destroyed its credibility yet? I was assured that would happen.
All seems to be quiet on that front, but haven’t been involved in the LPNH in years.
OT: Tom Woods 2000th episode show videos are up.
Part one
Part two
It’s basically a long comedy show with one exception. Ross Bulbricht’s mother gave a speech which was serious.
Thanks! I will look at these over the weekend.
You’re welcome!
It was a great show. I’m happy I went.
I rewatching now, I’m in the Doc Dixon part of the show. He put on a good show.
Oracle, oh how do I hate thee? Let me count the ways…
“Oracle: we were evil before it was cool”
I hate that company.
Fixing Oracle – my entire damn job
We called it “Orable” back in the day, with good reason.
@Trashy,
Thanks for posting your religious exemption document in the forums. My plant HR guy is reviewing it now for modification. We’re strategizing on a way to keep plant workers employed without their having to get vaxxed or tested against their will, or get fired. Corporate is planning to comply with all the mandates.
You’re welcome! Please send the modded one my way. I’m going to be updating it to submit to my employer this week.
Good luck man. I used some of the bullet points from your doc in my submission. I really appreciate all the work you put in on that.
I’m curious how you do. Let us know please.
Thanks for putting that document together. I didn’t use it because I switched jobs. I like that people are using it.
I’m fully prepared for them to reject all of the exemptions. It would be in their character to do that.
Given the conversation I was a part of yesterday with my boss, I’m probably not getting any sympathy. ?
Sorry.
My old boss was working to get me an exemption based on the fact that I had had Covid. He was juggling talking with HR with getting a release out the door when I gave my notice, so, in a way, I made his job easier.
Ok, gonna start working from PM’s mod.
I made some smaller changes before submitting; I can throw that up if you want along with the shortened ~paragraph length distillations that went into the ‘official’ form. Let me know.
Yes please. The more the better. I’m going to update with citations to some of the recent news and studies, and maybe tune up the content to make a more compelling case against the vaccine rather than the mandate.
Looks like the 5th District Circuit Court just put a temporary stay on the vaccine order.
I don’t have a whole lot of hope for further up the chain, but it appears there has been some progress in tying this up in the courts.
It sounded like that was the 100 employee one only, at least based on what I read. Hopefully it applies to contractors too
I would it is applied to all of the mandate. I’m trying to figure out how FedGovs can be forced just cause our employer is the government.
In the forums – posted the version of the doc I submitted along with text file containing the 3 paragraphs distillation I put into the official form. Hope it proves helpful.
I can’t emphasize how much I appreciate the trshmnstr’s efforts here, really well done. I’m glad you are updating with the current data, I think I may have added one or two – the ‘problem’ is that it’s almost impossible to keep up since data keeps coming in the hints of a poor vaccine safety profile.
FedGov still hasn’t reviewed mine or my employees..kinda curious why they are sitting on them.
Probably lawsuit related – same reason DoD hasn’t reviewed/approved any religious exemptions.
I’d like to echo my heartfelt thanks, @trashy. I actually heard back from HR Thursday that they approved my accommodation request. They’re requiring me to mask, distance, and only travel if it’s mission-critical and I get my boss’s permission, all of which were technically required already. They did say that testing “may be required” in the future, but I’ll fight that battle when I get to it. For now, I’m taking the victory, and I’m so grateful for all the work you put into that document that has been so helpful to me and others. I’m sorry it sounds like your company won’t be as receptive. If there’s anything I can do to help, please let me know.
I actually heard back from HR Thursday that they approved my accommodation request.
Good. Sorry about the restrictions.
Brisket packer broken down. Gonna half the flat and corn both of them but one will then be smoked for pastrami. The point I’ll smoke and probably freeze in 1lb chunks to be used in various methods at a later date.
Found some 3.5lb chickens. A bit more per lb but I have some old grandma recipes that need chicken that is pumped with water.
Recipe for the corned beef? I have a couple half flats in the freezer.
I followed https://amazingribs.com/tested-recipes/beef-and-bison-recipes/home-made-corned-beef-recipe/
There is debate on if you add pickling spices to the brine or not. I get mine from our spice lady who we barter apices and teas for dog grooming. I do add them to the brine because the salt will draw in the brine that is infused with the spices
They also have a ‘Katz’ pastrami recipe.
I’ve had good luck with Alton Brown’s recipe.
Which reminds me, I’ve got half a flat corned and in the freezer already…
I was going to do his and I wasted spices. I read his saltpeter as curing salt and right as I put in two tbls of it in the brine I realized I made a mistake.
I’ve done it without the curing salt (or saltpeter), and as long as you can deal with grey/brown corned beef, it still tastes good.
I believe the last time I did it I dropped the saltpeter, and did the appropriate amount of curing salt.
Today in “I hate everyone involved, including the author of this story“:
Another crank whose heart is sometimes in the right place but the plague broke his brain.
Well shit.
Wife just found out that her friend’s ex-husband just took their teenage kids to get the clot-shot against the mother’s wishes.
He’s been an asshole since the divorce (and before) but this was specifically to spite his ex-wife because he knows she’s adamantly opposed to it (as are the kids, but they’re afraid of him).
The friend has had enough evidence of fiscal misconduct to end his career as a CPA for a long time, but has refused to use it. I imagine that restraint is gone.
CWAA.
Aw, sorry to hear that.
That is pure evil. Putting your own kids at risk to get back at your ex? Tar and feathers would be too gentle.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/newsmax-implement-mandatory-vaccines/
Dumb.
Beyond dumb.
They just ended their network.
Yup.
I just uninstalled their app.
Well, at least they showed their cards. RINO’s HO!
I would think so.
I bet there is a PR firm out their that has what it takes to make STEVE SMITH a viable candidate for a presidential nomination.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1456806402341670921
?
Is that the one that just passed or the other one?
I assumed the one that just passed.
Scalise is the one who got shot at the congressional softball game.
It’s OK to shoot Nazis.
Take a good look at this, because this is what the American left are going to lead America to in the near future.
The Rainbow Nation
….and no one saw it coming.
*eyeroll*
Well, I’ve moved the bar up for my extraordinary daily accomplishments. I managed to ‘blow up’ a pot of soup.
I put on a pot of soup and I just forgot about it, I’m sitting here and I had totally forgotten about it, it was on boil, with the lid on. My wife had went off to do something in one of the bedrooms and I hear this ‘boom’ and then some metallic clanging noises. Stirred out of my focus on the intertoobz, I think ‘WTF was that?’. So I go to the kitchen and find that the lid had just blown off that pot of soup, was still on the stove and the mess was minimal. All I can think of is that the boiling of the soup had somehow created a vacuum and the pressure just built up until it blew the lid off. I guess I was practicing making a pressure cooker bomb for the next insurrection.
I’ve done that when boiling eggs. I never did get all the egg out of the nooks and crannies.
Amazing how similar somethings are around here
I think it’s more likely that the heat expanded the metal of the lid/pan to make a friction seal, then the steam overcame it and launched the lid.
You and your racist science stuff.
Hello to all the analysts that are reading this after Hype’s last sentence was flagged.
Greetings, fellow cuisine enthusiasts!
Damnit!
Anyway, I suppose that’s less dangerous than boobies since I’m not banned from Glibs, yet.
+2 Russian teens
I’ve been using a stovetop Presto pressure cooker for about 25 years. I got it from a garage sale, and it was likely 20 years old then. Ive only come close to blowing it apart 2X, and on both occasions I’d been drinking heavily. I think the adage “the Lord looks after fools and drunks” applies.
*Mama Tres loved the curry chicken I made in it, but once it came under pressure she would leave the kitchen, or go sit on the porch cause “those things aren’t safe” even tho’ she didn’t know of any incidents personally
I was barely buzzed, but I drank heavily last night, which probably contributed to my carelessness.
My mom canned vegetables every summer when I was a kid.
In a house with no AC.
Hipster Juice! I feelllll bettterrrr!!!
You know, Robby has to brush his hair before changing that tire.
The day he gets his soft, kissable, un calloused, perfectly manicured, dick-beaters, dirty by touching a tire iron is when I switch from beer to box wine.
The day I see Tres drinking box wine is the day I sell what little possessions I have and move to a shack in Patagonia to wait out the apocalypse.
Wait till I go back to Crown Royal and Vicodin.
Now I want Tres to set up a still and make box wine cognac.
I’m reading that in Val Kilmer’s voice.
Well, him and I are the same age, but I sound a LOT better than he does now. In an accent you won’t be able to place. I just tell everyone it is the hybrid Simi Valley/Appalachia accent. You can’t figure that one out. I hate it that every time I move everyone asks me where I’m from, no matter where it is.
Psalm of the day
Psalm 124
And now Newsom has disappeared for ten days after his booster clotshot.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10172023/Wheres-Gavin-California-Governor-Newsom-disappears-public-view-10-days.html
Is it wrong that I hoped he was hoist by his own mRNA petard?
Might be the only way for the leviathan to recognize maybe the shots are possibly dangerous. No one cares about the teens and others that got injured…but a lefty? Maybe
Nope. I feel the same way.
I’m hoping for a reaction so bad, he’s in a secret Sacramento hospital on a vent.
What is up with these deplorables that think the royalty need to be seen by them? They have important stuff to do that the peasanty cannot understand.
Dolph Lundgren gif
Why couldn’t this have happened before he signed the law banning any single-family-residence zoning?
I’d guess myocarditis, but not sure he actually has a heart.
I never thought I’d say (well, write) this: I think I have too much wine.
It’s coming in faster than I’m drinking it these days.
You will need to when you are hiding the unclean and you need to offer to the local Vax Officer on your weekly check ins at your house.
I bet he’s not even asked America’s doctor if it’s OK to have all this wine.
You haven’t considered donating the wine to those in a grape juice desert? You need to pay your fair share to those without wine.
I’m also happy to help you “dispose” of your excess.
Well, at least North Carolina shouldn’t have any deserts now.
I’m wondering if SC still has the weird laws in their bars mandating airplane bottles instead of fifths. I’m sure it’s some tax related scam by the state as they tax each bottle separately.
Does that apply to restaurants too? Because when I ate at 17 (yes I’m bragging), they made me a normal cocktail.
I don’t know. It might have been the county I was in near Greenville.
“It’s coming in faster than I’m drinking it these days.”
That’s what she said.
https://nypost.com/2021/11/06/emilio-estevez-not-returning-to-the-mighty-ducks-game-changers-season-2-over-covid-19-vax-mandate/
Probably for the best
https://archive.md/xJar9/fcb9ca3abb99ab9f24b375170722a0d2da6fe50b.webp
Her last bikini wax was not thorough enough.
F1 qualy in 8 minutes.
Time to break out the rowing machine. See you all in about an hour.
O[N]T: In the before times, the long long ago when I drank beer, I loved the black IPAs. Stone Sublimely Self-Righteous was phenomenal.
Aw hell, let’s be honest, I still love a black IPA, I just don’t drink em almost ever. There’s very few things I regret living in the keto space, but sampling good beer is one of them.
I liked that one as well.
Afternoon all.
The LP has a problem when they keep picking leadership that doesn’t at least believe in personal liberty. All of the other topics and platforms are secondary to me.
It’s been one of those beautiful autumn days here. Just a stitch below 50 Deg Mercan. Not a cloud in the sky. I put the day to good use. Ate breakfast with my friends, cut all the grass, then put away and properly treated the motorcycles and mower. Just finished putting the bike batteries on the trickle chargers.
Now it’s time to relax. My friend is having a Friendsgiving tonight so it should be a good evening. Turkey, booze, and MMA on the tube.
LP party gonna LP. They have always been a joke.
Sad but true. The best LP candidate was Ron Paul.
The most successful candidate was Aleppo Johnson, who got 5% in a race where a large number of people despised both of the two major party candidates. And even he was better than Bob Barr.
I decided to get better acquainted with the kitchen in the new house. So I chose to make a simple dish where ingredients are simple and technique is everything: biscuits from scratch.
It was a joy to be working in a kitchen big enough to move around in, plenty of counter space, plenty of pantry room to find ingredients easily, lots of drawers and cabinets for the little specialty items (flour sifter, grater for frozen butter, biscuit cutter, etc).
The oven cooked nice and evenly, and the laminated biscuits turned out flakey and golden. Yum.
I have now “marked” the kitchen. It is mine.
*Tents fingers and laughs maniacally*
*Tents fingers and laughs maniacally*
“Exxxxxxcellent, Smithers.”
?
Excellent!
Silicone Saturday cares nothing about your toilet.
https://archive.md/vAjuz
Congrats Hayek,
Glad you new home is now “your” new home. How’s the new job going? Have you gotten past the nervousness of being the new person?
Thanks, man. This house is just right for me—good layout for my lifestyle. Lots of boxes yet to open but mostly books and the like.
The new job didn’t come with nervousness really; I am the most senior of the small team and the young fellers are looking forward to learning some of the tricks of the trade from me. New functional manager seems to be a very sold guy, blunt, friendly, and supportive.
The project leader might be a bit of an ego problem, but I think I can cope.
The travel is about to ramp up so I’ll likely be flying to New Mexico quite a bit.
Great! It helps to be the most experienced one in the room. I hope what ever contraption you are making blows stuff up real good.
FTFY.
If they want you to build a large work area under a commercial laundry, be careful.
Lolz.
Do you want ants? Because this is how you get ants.
Ants. So terrifying, so hideous. There are no words….
Thanks to lobot for the Eat or be eaten vid posted in the morning lynx. I miss those days when absurdity was amusing.
My Saturday has been fucking amazing. Woke up in a bed with one o’ them TVs that rises from the foot like the Great Pumpkin, played with doge, walked doge, sat in front of fire, napped, got to store just before they closed, now sitting in a jacuzzi tub.
Sounds great! Pix?
Suck it , Bitches!! (Not you all, because you all have been very supportive. That’s for the collaborators.)
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/federal-court-blocks-biden-administrations-private-business-covid-19-vaccine-mandate_4089942.html?v=ul
“A federal appeals court on Saturday blocked the Biden administration’s private employer COVID-19 vaccine mandate, asserting there may be constitutional issues with the requirement.
“Because the petitions give cause to believe there are grave statutory and constitutional issues with the mandate, the mandate is hereby STAYED pending further action by this court,” a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit said in the brief order.
This thing is dead. (Fuck, I hope).
Link brings me to Google Play.
Link works normally for me.
Link works, but wants my email. Nope.
Yay on the headline.
Alternate site, same news:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/5th-circuit-appeals-ct-halts-biden-employer-vaccine-mandate-pending-further-action-by-this-court/
No e-mail begging for me. I assume it’s because I’m rocking the Brave browser.
If your browser has a “reader mode” it should circumvent that.
Huh. No idea. Works for me fine using Brave. It was texted to me and I clicked on the text link.
Copypasta to here.
In any event, I don’t think it survives. Here’s a quick legal explain why (copypasta from an email I wrote to someone this morning on this exact subject, coincidentally. No bullshit, I just sent this email an hour ago.)
My apologies for the long delay in responding. A lot has obviously happened in all of this, including in my own case.
To be honest, I don’t think the contractor or federal employee mandate is going to survive the legal challenges it’s currently facing.
I feel fairly confident that it is going to lose in court. There must be 30-40 separate lawsuits against the mandates for federal employees and contractors.
It would take me a bit long to explain, but if you’ll forgive the summary of a LOT of legal theory, here’s why:
The President/Executive branch doesn’t write laws, so he can only act under the authority of existing laws. Pres. Biden claims the authority for his two mandates comes from (1) a 1949 statute known as the Procurement Act, and (2) OSHA’s workplace safety mandate. There is a legal concept known as the “major questions” doctrine. The Supreme Court has typically disfavored novel presidential claims of authority from existing Congressional statutes that had nothing to do with the claimed authority. This recently was in front of the Supreme Court in the eviction moratorium “rule” that the CDC announced last year. The Center for Disease Control has never claimed the authority, nor is there anything in its enabling legislation, to give CDC the right to interfere in contract disputes between a landlord and tenant. It’s absurd and unheard of. The Executive claimed the power to do so because of the pandemic and that it was not “new legislation”, but simply a “new agency rule.” That legal dispute has an interesting legal history because it went before the Supreme Court twice, but the second time the Court smacked the CDC, noting that the Supreme Court could not and would not look kindly on such broad, novel readings of old statutes using the pandemic as a justification.
With that very recent history in mind, OSHA is about workplace safety, like hazardous materials or having eyewash stations. The Supreme Court is absolutely *not* going to let OSHA claim that mandating vaccines for the entire US workforce is a “workplace safety rule” that Congress intended when they originally passed the OSHA statute. Not a chance in hell that stands up. And the exact same thing is true of trying to claim that the Procurement Act gives the President the authority to compel federal workers to be vaccinated. The Procurement Act was passed in 1949 to clean up all of the vast and redundant government contracting that existed as a result of WW2. There’s broad language in there, but the idea that Congress under Harry Truman intended that the President could mandate vaccines as a way to “promote government efficiency” is an absurd reading of the statute. Not a chance that gets past the Supreme Court – and if it does, you better believe someone has the judges’ families hostage. They just ruled on this very issue a few months ago in the CDC case. In fact, given that ruling, I think it’s unlikely this gets past a federal district court judge. I think it’s just as likely that doctrine is binding precedent on the district courts and stops quickly.
“The President/Executive branch doesn’t write laws”
Do you even pen and phone bro?
Heh.
One thing that has annoyed me about the “IT’S NOT A LAW!” morons I’ve run into while being involved in pushing back on the Lil Rona Panic bullshit, is that when I look into governor’s orders and some of the president’s orders (this about the vaccine mandates I have not looked into), I find a law cite. I go read the law cited. I see the magic words that send members of the Executive branch into orgasmic bliss: “Make any other rule that in his opinion is necessary to [whatever the fuck the law is about]”. In other words, the legislature passed a law giving the Executive far too much power.
There were some attempts in NH to deal with this problem, but unfortunately didn’t work out as well as we hoped.
Same crap that gave us the stupidly out of control bureaucracy — Congress: “The Agency of Good Thing shall be established and do whatever they need to do to promote Good Thing.”
While those laws that give the respective executive too much power based on that open ended language, there is still the pesky constitution that requires states and the federal govt have an enumerated power specifically giving the govt the power to do something.
There is no federal power to mandate vaccines.
Workplace safety, you say? First, the feds can only regulate interstate commerce, so any business that only does business intrastate doesnt have to ever listen to federal regulation. Second, there is zero evidence that the covid jab makes any workplace safer. ZERO.
Thanks
the idea that Congress under Harry Truman intended that the President could mandate vaccines as a way to “promote government efficiency” is an absurd reading of the statute.
This, under the shadow of the scourge of polio epidemics*, and right after a polio vaccine had been announced and on the eve of the Salk vaccine.
*the popular memory of the historical risk and extent of polio continues to be overestimated
The lying media also refuses to mention that polio was so horrible and its effects were widely know that many Americans needed very little convincing to get the polio vaccine.
See… Americans make decisions every day about risk and SaRS-COVID19 risk should be no different. State your case and let Americans decide what to do.
Yeah, a lot of that is in the Ohio lawsuit I’ve been touting as likely to succeed — and that reasoning is why I feel like the judges are likely to shoot it down. Fingers crossed.
Nice.
This thing is dead. (Fuck, I hope).
Yes, at least there appears to be some hope. And thanks for all your work on this.
Well, this only kills the government employee and contractor mandates.
That’s why we were focused on the military from the beginning. I had been following the CDC rent moratorium edict and I was certain that couldn’t stand. It took far, far longer than I ever imagined it would for that to work its way to a final SCOTUS decision. After the head fake that Biden pulled WRT that case, I felt pretty strongly that the Supremes simply wouldn’t be able to avoid that giant issue on Biden’s “new” read of the Procurement Act and OSHA.
But the military one always boils down to whether or not the vaccine is licensed – because under the governing statutes (if you assume the validity of 10 USC 1107 and 1107a), the President *can* waive a servicemember’s right to informed consent (he still has to meet certain requirements), but he absolutely *cannot* force them to take an unlicensed product. That was the upshot of the Doe v Rumsfeld litigation.
I’ll put something in a quick article this weekend and drop it in for TPTB.
I’m not reading where it has any effect outside of the 3 suing states (in the 5th Circuit I assume) or that it is a stay on anything but the OSHA mandate.
What makes it kill the contractor mandate, Ozy? (Please note — I really, really, really want the contractor mandate dead since that’s the one being pushed on me right now… I just also don’t want to get false hopes here. 😉 ). Is it just because this is almost certain to be either a “go along with the flow” from judges or that it is almost certainly going to the Supremes quickly — or did I just miss something in all the reporting?
CJ “Penalvax” Roberts, presiding
SDF – Okay, I’m using shorthand based upon what I’ve said above. I have to go re-read the complaints and replies.
But the logic of the OSHA mandates is the same as the logic for the Procurement Act. It’s all the same issue: the “major questions doctrine.” Congress never intended vaccine mandates in the statutes that the Biden Admin has encouraged these agencies to now claim the authority for. Once there’s a TRO in place, in my opinion, it’s only a matter of time until these things are gone – all except for the military mandate. IOW, I don’t think that the Admin can get the PI reversed. And once that happens, I believe you’ll see other courts start to follow (in the context of their individual case fact-patterns). What will be left standing will be the military mandate, until and unless someone convinces a federal judge that the vax mandate for the military is illegal.
Thank you sir. That makes sense.
Is the stay nationwide or just within the 5th Circuit?
Looks like the request for a stay asked for it to be nationwide. The stay order doesn’t say, just that it is granted – so I assume nationwide.
The part that SUCKS is:
III. The federal government will not be substantially harmed.
Under the third prong, the federal government will not suffer any harm from
a stay. In conjunction with his announcement of the OSHA ETS, President Biden
announced plans for other vaccine mandates. These included requiring vaccinations
for all federal workers and contractors, requiring vaccines for healthcare workers
through the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and requiring vaccines for
staff in Head Start Programs, Department of Defense Schools, and Bureau of Indian
Education-Operated Schools. Preventing the OSHA ETS. Path Out of the Pandemic:
President Biden’s COVID-19 Action Plan, https://www.whitehouse.gov/covidplan/.
Staying the ETS will do nothing to frustrate these efforts. It will also not affect
OSHA of Defense’s efforts to require vaccination for all servicemembers, civilian
employees, and contractor personnel.
So this definitely doesn’t do jack to the contractor mandate at this time. Gorram it.
This is excellent news.
It doesn’t kill it, but it’s a start.
How many times does an admin try to to blatantly unconstitutional things before there are serious repercussions?
Y’all should have read that article I linked earlier about South Africa, because that is where we are headed, sooner than later.
That would be a valid point anywhere outside of DC proper. When the admin knowingly pushed the foreclosure crap after the court had already told them to knock it off — that’s when the other 2 branches (if they had any sense of self-preservation) should have seriously slapped the Executive down. Defunding them leaps to mind as does slapping everyone responsible for making that policy in contempt of court and whatever they could do with that.
But that would disturb the cocktail party that is DC… so here we are. You do have to wonder just how far they’ll keep pushing….
A legit use of impeachment of the officials involved.
Its still sickening that judges need petitions to question (1) the constitutionality of made up federal enumerated power to mandate vaccines of Americans (2) the constitutionality of made up federal enumerated power to force businesses to mandate vaccines for employees.
Ahhhh.
Bob Cordell’s book Designing Audio Power Amplifiers (2nd ed.) just arrived on my doorstep. Now I don’t have to tell anyone what I’ll be reading for November.
Or possibly December, for that matter. Eff me. It’s almost as long as The Art of Electronics (3rd ed.), but just dealing with audio power amps.
A decent pair of headphones just arrived on my doorstep. My old pair didn’t play well with my keyboard. This one sounds great. No more excuses to put off practicing, I guess.
I spoke last night about listening to some of Ennio Morricone’s great soundtracks to Leone’s spaghetti westerns, and after I got finished, I’m listening to them again. Such brilliant music.
I assume you have seen these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enuOArEfqGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4niv522mbtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT1NJwEi6nw
The Danes do a good job on several.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enuOArEfqGo
And another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT1NJwEi6nw
I posted those plus this one, but comment got stuck in moderation for too many links.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4niv522mbtM
Thx for that, dbleagle.
Well, I’ve now racked up enough time to wrap up this pay period.
🙁
Why am I overtime exempt?
Because you don’t have a union or a powerful enough union. Duh. Don’t you even workplace, bruh?
You’re exempt cuz you’re a deplorable and will probably show up at he next insurrection.
I used to work in an IT department in which the DB Admin was this biker chick. She had the absolute worst attitude I have ever seen in the workplace for someone who was supposed to be a professional. I actually liked her but almost everyone there hated her. We went to an event and for some reason they were asking everyone if they are exempt and she says with her typical vitriol and disdain for everyone ‘I don’t know’. I said ‘she’s exempt’. She lived with her mum and she was like 45 years old. She had a pretty nice body and I was recently of single status and I thought about asking her out and then I thought ‘Don’t stick it in crazy’ and took my own advice, for once. They finally let her go because she would pick fights with everyone. Since I was one of the few persons who talked to her, she came and talked to me in what seemed like a ploy for sympathy and said ‘Well, I’m just not good at what I do, like you are, so they’re letting me go’. And I said ‘You’re good at that you do, that’s not the issue. The difference in me and you is not talent, it’s that I sometimes actually make an effort to be nice to people, even if I don’t like them’.
Thank you for posting this, MS. I have been super lurking here for a while after being pretty active early on. To make this comment I had to make a new password. I love the folks on this site and all they do. Have been curious if anyone was keeping up with the micaucs. I know the LP sucks. And they still suck. The micauc s are really trying to make it not as bad. Absolutely a losing cause, but interesting things are going on. Not all of them are absolutely positive.
Would really love to see and get some input from this crowd about it. Trying to reengage with the real world and you guys are steps toward optimism for me and look forward to hearing a little bit of feedback.
Believe me I understand the fuck the L.P. sentiment totally.