The Last People Who Can Refuse the Vaccines: A Lesson in Orwell and Newspeak

by | Nov 15, 2021 | Big Government, Executive Branch, Federal Power, Health Care, Liberty, Military, Rule of Law, Science, Society, Supreme Court | 252 comments

There is a dwindling group of people in the United States who will be among the last Americans still able to refuse to take the Pfizer BioNTech BNT-162b2 vaccine…
As the President asserts that he has the authority to mandate vaccines for just about everyone in the United States, there remains one stubborn group of people who are beyond his reach: the people who are still a part of the ongoing clinical trial for the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine. And as the linked protocol indicates, the study will not be completed until May 2023. Now, in case you didn’t know, the FDA has licensed one Pfizer vaccine called COMIRNATY… but it’s not available. The only one that’s available in the United States, the BioNTech BNT-162b2 (“BNT”), is still NOT an FDA-licensed vaccine. While it may be ‘approved’ for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), BNT is absolutely not a “licensed product” under federal law.
So, here’s the Columbo moment that quite frankly I missed and so has every lawyer litigating this issue:
The study protocol linked above began just after the start of the pandemic – in April 2020. In order to have a Phase 3 clinical trial for BNT, Pfizer had to solicit volunteers. Let me pause and let that sink in for a moment. Pfizer, Inc. was not allowed to, for example, go out on the street and threaten to take away people’s jobs if they didn’t participate in the Phase 3 Clinical trial… which is still ongoing. They had to get every single subject’s VOLUNTARY, INFORMED CONSENT, in order to give them Pfizer BNT-162b2. Again, THAT CLINICAL TRIAL STILL HASN’T ENDED.
How can it be possible that at the same time that the Phase 3 clinical trial is still ongoing – and under Institutional Review Board (IRB) procedures requiring informed consent – that the same exact drug for the same exact indication, can be mandated for 100 million Americans?? Upon pain of losing your job? Of being given a court-martial and throw in jail? Of being deprived of all of your rights? Because you won’t give your consent to take that same exact (STILL) EXPERIMENTAL drug??
Under this upside-down world reading of the law, the 44,000 people in the BNT clinical trial – especially the ~22,000 who originally received the placebo (although they were later unblinded, dissolving the control group) – could be among the last people in the US who have the option to refuse that experimental shot. Is it really possible to force American citizens to take an experimental drug at the same time that people in the ongoing clinical trial had the right to refuse – i.e. had to be volunteers? If there is any question or ambiguity in the Emergency Use Authorization statute – and there shouldn’t be, the statute is plain on its face that EUA products cannot be mandated – but even if the FDA concocts some word-twisting justification, shouldn’t simple logic tell us that it can’t be possible to mandate a vaccine for huge swaths of the public when (a) the people who had to be recruited for the ongoing clinical trial had to be asked for their permission to join the study, and (b) the study still hasn’t finished.
And here’s the final puzzler for you, Dear Reader, perhaps hypothetical, perhaps not: if one of the people in the (now-unblinded) placebo group were a federal contractor,  air traffic controller, or member of the military, could they simultaneously have refused to accept the vaccine – while still being part of the experiment – and yet somehow, simultaneously, with Schroedinger’s vaccine, be prosecuted and thrown in jail for refusing to take it as a condition of continued honorable service in the military?
…if this sounds ridiculous and impossible, I would encourage anyone to have a close look at the paperwork that the FDA requires be given to people being currently forced to take the shot. (Hint: there is a clause in there that shows that the ridiculous situation we are in is known to folks at both the military and FDA).

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Ozymandias

Ozymandias

Born poor, but raised well. Marine, helo pilot, judge advocate, lawyer, tech startup guy... wannabe writer. Lucky in love, laughing 'til the end.

252 Comments

  1. Yusef drives a Kia

    Ozy, you know I love you man, wall of text? Aggghh!

    • rhywun

      It does need a little breathing room between the lines.

    • cyto

      For some reason that triggered a memory of a paper that I had to read way back in grad school. It was published in a big name tier two journal.. the exact topic and name escape me today, some 30 years later. But what I remember is that the abstract was about 2/3 of a page, which is astonishingly long for an abstract.

      I had the toughest time figuring out what the abstract was saying. I kept re-reading and getting frustrated. “Man, I must be really tired”. Finally I realized that it wasn’t the technical subject matter that was escaping me, it was the sentence structure.

      This thing went on and on, several paragraphs worth of text. But no paragraphs. So I started trying to follow the sentences. Well damn. The first period is a quarter of the way down the page. If I recall, there were 4 sentences in 2/3 of a page of a scientific journal.

      Holy crap.

      The lead and second authors were from Japan, and one was a mathematician (I find that their papers are particularly inscrutable). After an incredibly long time, I punted on the abstract and moved on to the paper. Believe it or not, it was easier to digest the paper than the abstract. I suspect that one of the American or European authors wrote most of the paper, and the first or second author wrote the abstract.

      In any event, that is a couple of hours of my life that I will never get back.

  2. trshmnstr the terrible

    the FDA has licensed one Pfizer vaccine called COMIRNATY

    Let’s call that what it is. A metric assload of bullshit. I haven’t looked at the documentation surrounding the licensing, but I guarantee it’s hot garbage. Operation Warp Speed may have collapsed some of the time lines, but no fucking way did they safely* test this drug in the time period suggested.

    *by safely test, I mean do the right amount and types of testing to detect any potential safety signals. Especially for a yet undeployed technology.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Do you really think any of those institutional safeguards matter a damn bit if the right people are pushing it? Look at the recently licensed Alzheimer’s garbage drug to show that the “normal” process is no less corrupted.

    • rhywun

      I’m still a little confused about this “dissolving the control group” stuff.

      Unless I’m mistaken, this isn’t how this works. That isn’t how any of this works.

      • hayeksplosives

        I think the dissolving of the control group thingy is typically reserved for cases where the disease is so severe, and the drug being trialed is looking so effective against it, that it would be cruel to deprive the control group (on placebos) of the real thing.

        In this case, Covid isn’t that bad (especially for the young white dudes enrolled in the trial) and the effectiveness of the drug ain’t so hot.

      • The Hyperbole

        especially for the young white dudes enrolled in the trial

        ??? I don’t mean to be snarky, but did they only test white dudes? or is the ‘VId more risky for black dudes? Again, not trying to be an asshole but I haven’t heard that before and in this era of media bubbles and disinformation I often wonder if I missed something.

      • Ozymandias

        Perhaps a backhanded reference to the final demographics of the study groups after all of the filters for the trial were applied. e.g. No pregnant women.

      • hayeksplosives

        My info might be 10 years out of date, but they want the candidates to be as similar as possible, and since there are some race-related disease susceptibilities, AND nobody wants to trial a drug in a woman who might become pregnant, they limit at least the initial trial to young white men.

      • Ozymandias

        The BMJ had a series of articles about just how bad this was while it was happening. One of them is all about the promises the FDA would make about safety only to see Pfizer piss all over it. And then the FDA would just ignore it or try to paper over it in subsequent video calls. The videos are available. If anyone has doubts about who’s in charge of the FDA, read those BaMJ articles and watch the linked videos.

      • Chafed

        The control group was unblinded during the trial period. The rationale was the vaccine is so effective and the disease so deadly it would be unethical to keep the group from getting the vaccine. By destroying the control group, it is impossible to measure long term efficacy. If you think this looks more like a feature than a bug, so do I.

  3. Ownbestenemy

    Some of my wife’s clients have used trashy’s term “assload of bullshit”.

    • rhywun

      But was it metric?

      • UnCivilServant

        No. That’s a Standard Assload.

      • rhywun

        Imperial or GTFO

    • The Hyperbole

      Dog grooming is kinkier than I thought.

  4. Ozymandias

    It didn’t look that way when I typed it!!
    I blame the wordpress squirrels. I wrote it in very well defined paragraphs.

  5. Hyperion

    I got the first flu shot I’ve ever had in my life about an hour ago. I didn’t really have to do it. My biggest client is mandating it, lol. I’m actually exempt because I work from home. But I did it anyway. Anyway, I good grief the drugstore I went to have no fucking idea what they are doing. After being in there for like 20 minutes, I said ‘You guys don’t really do this much, do you?’. Finally, the young lady goes and gets help and out somes like tiny little petite Asian girl and she just insttanly got it all right and then proceeded to talk my ears off. Then she gives me the jab. So I used it for sympathy with my wife and said ‘Honey, look, I gotz a boo-boo’, lol. And I used it as an excuse to buy a 6 pack of beer because ‘it really hurts’.

    Anyway, what the fuck is up with organizations mandating fucking flu shots? The world has went stark raving mad.

    • The Hyperbole

      I good grief the drugstore I went to have no fucking ideaand out somes like tiny little petite Asian girl and she just insttanly got it

      I think it gave you Bells Palsy.

      • Hyperion

        It’s my new keyboard. But I’m glad someone is playing type-o police today, I feel better.

    • Hyperion

      Sorry about all the type-os. This new keyboard, I have to slow down until I get used to it, the spacing and clickyness is a little different. I replaced my G710+ with this SteelSeries Apex Pro. This thing is part keyboard and part Christmas tree. It’s purty…

      • rhywun

        The world has went stark raving mad.

        I think you mean “Ayup”.

        And no, I’ve never heard of a required flu shot. That’s madness. Not a good sign.

      • Hyperion

        Well, sorry bro, but you will soon enough.

      • hayeksplosives

        They’ll just mandate your annual “Greater Good” shot containing whatever the Top Men like foochy decide will be in it, and they’ll tell us whatever they want to tell us is in it.

        Who would know?

      • Chafed

        What garbage reason did they give for requiring a flu shot?

      • l0b0t

        NYC schools mandate a yearly fly shot for all students.

      • rhywun

        GTFO.

      • l0b0t

        Sigh… yep, for the past 3 years. You should have heard son shriek when he got his at the Stop & Shop pharmacy; it was dead silent in that store for about 10 seconds after he turned into a banshee.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Anyway, what the fuck is up with organizations mandating fucking flu shots?

      I’ve been expecting this. It was already starting in healthcare orgs prior but the current situation has destroyed any stigma or reluctance to force inoculations. Next will be various other measures to attempt to permanently reduce influenza deaths and cases.

      • Hyperion

        Like getting your banking information implanted in you on a chip? They say that is 110% effective in stopping every virus known.

      • rhywun

        I will not comply.

      • B.P.

        No one is to ever get sick again. Someone hit the nitrous switch on the precautionary principle.

      • Chafed

        I’m concerned you are right.

  6. Yusef drives a Kia

    it’s going up to 40 tomorrow, I need to get out and play once more before the Winter sets in, wish me luck!

    • Hyperion

      Now I know why I do not miss the upper Mid-West, at all.

      It got down to 35 night before last here. Brrrr!!!!!!

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        I’m 128 lb. I dress well, and stay comfy,

      • Hyperion

        Jeebus dude, last time I was 128 lbs, I was in 8th grade.

        But no matter, I just hate cold, always have.

      • rhywun

        I don’t mind cold but yeah it does get a bit extreme over there.

        NYC winters are nice. Mostly above freezing. It can go down to zero just to keep us on our toes.

      • Hyperion

        Last time I went to NYC I froze my fucking ass off. Anything under 50 is too cold.

        I just stay inside here when it’s cold. But it’s only 3-4 months of the year it even gets cold, even at night.

        We’re moving to WV soon I guess. I told my wife we need a big firepalce, because in front of it is where my ass will be when it’s cold outside. It’s just a little colder than here when cold and slightly hotter when hot.

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        The other day, I ran across a physician’s note from end of 8th grade. I was 5’11” and 185 lbs. I was probably 128 in 5th grade or earlier.

      • rhywun

        I doubt I was even 98 pounds by then.

        I have since caught up – way up.

      • cyto

        I was just talking with my son about that. 9th grade we got measured for band uniforms, so I remember.

        4’8″, 88lbs.

        I went to a school with several D1 athletes, including an NFL loffensive lineman (briefly with the Bills), an NFL safety (Raiders for a few years) and an MLB pitcher who was also a D1 quarterback.

        Yeah. Getting your growth spurt late was not advantageous in that school. I was still under 5 feet after 10th grade.

        I grew 13 inches in 14 months, reaching 6’0″ and 110lbs during my senior year. Holy bean pole!

      • Gender Traitor

        Were you stuck wearing the same band uniform? ?

      • rhywun

        ?

        I think I was 5’8″ in 8th grade and I’m 5’8″ today.

      • grrizzly

        I wasn’t 128 lbs even when I went to college.

  7. grrizzly

    That clinical trial has de facto ended. Isn’t practically everyone in the placebo group immediately got vaxxed as soon as they were allowed? They all wanted to be in the real drug group to begin with.

  8. Ozymandias

    I just love the intellectual absurdity of being able to mandate a drug on the general populace that hasn’t even finished its first human trial.
    Nothing to see here!!

    • Lackadaisical

      So, I never realized that about the trial. Kind of shitty we will have that much of a harder time proving if the vax is any good or bad.

  9. Yusef drives a Kia

    I want to set up some steady employment, then lease a shop in the run down district, next to the comic shop, I can advertise my Photos and build Terrain again, for sale, an art studio, more or less, it could be so much fun, and money!

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      Like 2k square ft. for 300 bucks a month? Storage and and a storefront? with some setup and and advertising I can make some bank next Summer, I plan on getting past my bad times, I have too much to do.

      • hayeksplosives

        Maybe dip your toe in the Etsy water and test the market first? Lots of people buy quirky one-of-a-kind dioramas and other art there. No big upfront investment either.

    • Brochettaward

      I’m sure you’d give Hunter Biden a run for his money. Who wouldn’t pay $500k for a Yusef original?

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        If I got that much for my Songs, I would fund this website for the next 50 years, you have a good time Bro!

    • Hyperion

      I got it bro. Disc golf course with hookers and blow.

    • UnCivilServant

      I never really got the humor of that meme format.

      • The Hyperbole

        I never really got the humor of that meme format.

        FIFY

      • MikeS

        Sounds about right

      • UnCivilServant

        Indeed, Hyperbole never got humor.

      • MikeS

        He does, however, have good taste in beer.

      • Hyperion

        I refuse to belive that.

      • Zwak, sensual panzer

        And table saws.

        Never forget that!

      • The Hyperbole

        I refuse to belive that.

        New Keyboard my ass, you got the Bells Palsy from the flu shot.

        Also, tall Hefeweizens!

      • MikeS

        Prost!

      • rhywun

        That’s how I read it too.

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        I’ve seen a couple episodes of the show, so it makes sense to me, but it’s not my favorite meme format, either.

    • pistoffnick

      GET YOUR FUCKING BOOGER PICKER OFF THE TRIGGER, YOU MORON!

      • MikeS

        It’s not surprising at all that this prick wouldn’t know any better than that.

      • Ownbestenemy

        Did KR ever have an opportunity to put it into that position anyway? Maybe when he turned around while running?

    • rhywun

      Did you get a microdog??

      • Hyperion

        He did, but he couldn’t resist shooting it out of his mini-hand cannon, after he got tired of cat juggling.

      • MikeS

        Phrasing?

      • Chafed

        I think it’s literally true.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        My Sisters dog, she is so badass! I want one,

      • rhywun

        She looks like she wants some Taco Bell.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Yo Quiero para mi!

  10. Yusef drives a Kia

    All this time I was finding myself, and,
    I didn’t know I was lost…

  11. anti pro state

    Just imagine the state of affairs if he got shot by a court baliff while doing that.

    • Hyperion

      What if he shot one of the camera people?

    • Ownbestenemy

      He even pull a bit of a Baldwin and left it to the officer to clear and check the weapon without any knowledge if it is cleared…I get the photo op, but it was terrible optics.

      • rhywun

        I’ll be honest – I don’t get the photo op.

        To be fair, I don’t have the depraved mind of a prosecutor.

      • Brochettaward

        Think of a politician, and then remove whatever sense of accountability they may have. Then you’re getting close.

      • rhywun

        *shudder*

      • B.P.

        And a whole shitload of them are looking to position themselves for political office based upon their prosecutorial record.

    • Chafed

      MSNBC would die from cognitive dissonance.

  12. Yusef drives a Kia

    It looks like maybe low wind and highs aboot 40, maybe get some golf in before the next storm, we get our new baskets for our course next week, courtusy of our local Dispensary, DuneGrass. The other shops, meh. Stoner golf!

    • Lackadaisical

      Depending on what I eat, it could be low wind or high wind tomorrow.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Oh, dear, i High Wind will blow me all over the place, I’m a little guy,

      • Chafed

        Thanks for the warning.

  13. Trigger Hippie

    *Burp”

    …Ozy is really, really, smart. I’m happy to know that he’s an uncompromising advocate of liberty and if I can ever overcome my social anxiety he and I could meet up in less than an hour’s drive time and share some bbq…and beer…and…weed from the Emerald Triangle

    You’re one of my top ten favorite Globs.

    • The Bearded Hobbit

      So I’ve got nine chances at a slot? Cool!

      • Brochettaward

        Eight because there is only one possible correct answer as to who is First.

      • Trigger Hippie

        Perhaps sign up for date with Riley Reid? ?

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      He is a cool Glob,

    • Ozymandias

      TH – Bro! Hit me up on the forum. Would love to get some BBQ and share some herb. Any time. (Sativa please, so I don’t pass out in my BBQ).

      Just got back from KCMO – saw Louis CK at the Uptown Theater with the missus. He absolutely killed (I thought).
      Both openers were pretty good. The chick who was first was very, very funny. Smart comedy – you would laugh and then as the joke kinda settled in on you, you’d be like, “OH!”

  14. trshmnstr the terrible

    OT: Dammit, the one time I could make an amazing visual pun, we’re out of hot dogs.

  15. Yusef drives a Kia

    Hey all you Lurkers, Hell yes! thank you alll!

  16. Trigger Hippie

    On topic, I’ve spent my entire life on the fringe is society. No wife, no children. Half the time I have a legal residence or utilities in my name…at best. I pay for nearly everything in cash. I have next to no possessions.

    I’ve always had a vague, sister feeling that things would go sideways before I die. Has my existence been proven worthy? Am I a Tribulation Saint or the useless cynical asshole laughing from the sidelines?

    Either way, this is some really good weed.

    • Trigger Hippie

      *sister feeling

      Sigh

      Did I mention I’m stoned.

      Sinister

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Sounds good and chill, enloy brother!

    • Trigger Hippie

      Actually, go ahead and rip on me for that. That’s pretty damn funny.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        My Sister is Totally Cool!

      • Trigger Hippie

        Yes, but what constitutes a “vague sister feeling”?

        Does that mean you find a female friend vaguely similar to your sister? You find your sister vaguely similar to the girl you’re attracted to? You find your relationship with your mother is somehow more sisterly than motherly and you slightly resent her for it?

        It’s all so Freudian.

      • Trigger Hippie

        For the record: I honestly don’t want to fuck anyone whitin my bloodline. Please don’t get it twisted. Sometimes four days of booze and painkillers to combat pain make your brain find the darkest of humor as the best of humor… I’m in full on Stanhope mode at the moment… I’m an asshole.

        *smooches*

      • Ozymandias

        Stanhope is the man.

    • straffinrun

      Compliance is for lab rats.

  17. straffinrun

    Just think of the mandate as a clinical trial with a large subject group. Think of all the science we can lern.

    • rhywun

      It’s exactly what it is.

      You are the guinea pig.

      And your decision whether to play along depends on which party the president belongs to.

      What a world!

      • straffinrun

        Vax free for me. I plan to die of a heart attack the way god intended: unresolved anger issues.

      • rhywun

        unresolved anger issues

        I have a few of those lately.

      • straffinrun

        Yep. Addressing them just makes me more angry.

    • straffinrun

      That’s about as commie as you can get.

    • rhywun

      Am I crazy or does that link point to something else?

      • MikeS

        It did for me, too. And even when I clicked on a sidebar article, it came back the same Psaki/Doocy page.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Goes to a Strawberry Shortcut story for me instead of Fauci.

      • Chafed

        Very weird. It takes me to the Fauci article.

      • Brochettaward

        Every link on Twitchy was sending me to the Doocy/Psaki article earlier.

  18. UnCivilServant

    *sigh*

    I have a documentary on for background noise. Why are so many people mystified by the fact ancient humans moved really big rocks? Given how common huge stones are in ancient buildings, humans were very good at moving big rocks, even very big ones. Why keep fantasizing that it wasn’t just people being innovative?

    • straffinrun

      Are you watching “Loose Change”?

      • UnCivilServant

        No some random documentary on out of place artifacts.

      • rhywun

        I was guessing “Ancient Aliens”.*

        *I have never watched that crap but I had friends who were obsessed with that shit.

      • straffinrun

        I heard moving large rocks and thought of Mohammed Atta.

    • MikeS

      Ancient Aliens is not a documentary.

      • UnCivilServant

        It’s not Ancient Aliens. I would have called that a comedy series.

  19. straffinrun

    Finally finished watching closing arguments. My take as a lay person: The bald defense attorney should’ve done them and not the guy that looks like he’s constantly experiencing acid reflux. Slides out of order, trying to discredit every point even irrelevant ones and not having the ability to speak in complete sentences without butchering 3 or 4 words. Should be a slam dunk, but 30%(?) of the country is insane and another 30%(?) seem to be total pussies a unwilling to stand up to the lunatics.

  20. hayeksplosives

    Mark Steyn has a few comments today on Kamala’s less-than-inspiring speech in France.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, our VP:

    We must together work together to see where we are, where we are headed, where we are going in our vision for where we should be, but also see it as a moment – yes, together – to address the challenges and to work on the opportunities.

    Steyn’s column:
    https://www.steynonline.com/11882/together-wherever-we-go

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Thanks for the editing, the story looks great!

      • kinnath

        I refuse to support an America where tribal warlords and terrorists can destroy our postage stamps.

      • Q Continuum

        “My opponent is conspiring with socialists, gays and fat cats.”

      • Q Continuum

        “I will work for an America where corrupt labor unions and shifty Canadians cannot undermine our iPhones.”

      • dbleagle

        The wine descriptions could put the Glib wine folks to the test.

      • slumbrew

        Meh. “It tasted good with my ribeye” is about as far as I’ll venture – my palate isn’t that good. OMWC and Spud were pros(?) and I don’t think they talk like that either.

        The Foodie descriptions are spot-on – they’d fit in at any number of restaurants I’ve been to.

      • hayeksplosives

        The wine phrase generator I am tempted to test in real life.

        Ditto with NFL jargon.

      • MikeS

        The blindness of omnipotence is hardly dualistic in its relativity.

      • MikeS

        I say unto thee: bury ye not barns full of cocaine, but canisters of eggplants.

      • MikeS

        They that totally dig the Lord thy God shalt be spared the flatulence; they shalt increase their truthfulness.

      • kinnath

        My opponent is taking donations from smelly hippies, unstable nuclear regimes and racists.

      • kinnath

        My opponent is taking donations from pedophiles, illegal immigrants and Exxon Mobil executives.

      • kinnath

        My opponent is working with Somali pirates, socialists and racists.

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        I want an America where racists and Hollywood liberals can’t corrupt our megachurches.

      • Gender Traitor

        I think hayek’s link just solved our site’s content shortage.

      • Chafed

        Lol

      • one true athena

        omg what a great find!

        My speech:
        “My opponent is conspiring with overpaid CEOs, Chilean miners and communists.”

      • hayeksplosives

        The random phrase generator just spat out

        “ My opponent is receiving money from health care bureaucrats, government bureaucrats and Muslim extremists.”

      • one true athena

        We should join up!

        ” My opponent is taking donations from Washington elitists, Taliban militants and shifty Canadians.”

      • hayeksplosives

        How could we lose?!?

        Seriously, these are all better than what Kamala made up in her speech in France.

      • one true athena

        Pretty sure a person could get several papers published based on the Academic Quotes generator. But you’d actually have to add wokeness, lol

      • hayeksplosives

        Never have so many words been spoken to express so little useful content to so many.

    • rhywun

      I often express my weariness about small-ball Republicans

      LOL

      WTF is she doing in France?!

      • hayeksplosives

        Oh, I think you know.

        Willie “Pepperidge Farm” Brown remembers

    • Chafed

      She always finds a way to embarrass herself.

  21. Yusef drives a Kia

    The Lurkers are a really good group of folks! Applause!

  22. straffinrun

    New coworker. Just act natural and treat her like all the others despite her smoking body. I’m trying, but I think I’m making odd expressions.

    • Q Continuum

      EYE RAPE

    • Brochettaward

      Just remember that you’re gay.

      • straffinrun

        We’re very similar. Both of us want to swallow my pride.

    • rhywun

      Too half-drunk to read that but where I am it’s getting crazier. Nobody’s “getting over it”.

    • slumbrew

      Somewhat interestingly, I had a “telehealth” visit with my primary today (just to fulfill some BS re: some meds) and that was more or less his attitude as well. This, from a gay dude who specializes in HIV-positive patients*; I’m sure he’s exquisitely left-wing in other aspects of his life, but he has had enough of this. “It’s endemic, we need to learn to live with it.”.

      It was nice to hear.

      * I may have mentioned before – I randomly picked him from the book as the closest doctor to me when I was in my early 20’s and had zero gay-dar. Took me forever to figure out that he specialized in HIV-positive dudes and I was one of his few straight patients. He’s awesome.

      • grrizzly

        I crossed paths with my PCP at the time when he was dancing in Provincetown. With his husband. It was more than 16 years ago. I had to remind my partner then (and now) that he was just my doctor.

      • slumbrew

        “Sure, he’s seen me naked and touched my nuts, but he’s just my doctor!”

        😉

      • slumbrew

        In truth, the man has touched my prostate – I’m positive neither of us really enjoyed that experience.

        We discussed my need for a colonoscopy today. Not looking forward to that.

      • grrizzly

        I had a different doctor for the last 13 years. A straight one. He was good, too. Since I turned 40, he was supposed to do the prostate exam. Whatever it was, it never involved touching my prostate. I’m fully aware where that is.

        Sorry to hear about a colonoscopy.

      • Brochettaward

        Slumbrew was molested and didn’t even know it.

  23. cyto

    Barnes had something to say about Binger pointing gun at jury with finger on the trigger…

    Said it was a trap for the defense. He had planed on them loudly objecting so he could use the moment to underscore how dangerous and threatening pointing a rifle is… Which plays into their provocation theory.

    By sitting on his hands, the defense attorney let Binger make an ass of himself in front of a jury that probably mostly knows something about proper firearms handling.

    • straffinrun

      That’s interesting. Barnes is always good at seeing through prosecution set ups.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Too bad no one on the jury burst out and yelled at the sob.

    • Ownbestenemy

      Yeah it was just stupid and it was for the papers. Since the defense didn’t bring it up, the jury is gonna think….why the hell did he do that?!

      Seriously, I am not a fan of Richards, but it appears he gathered all that rope he let Binger gather and then yanked it all back to string him up in the closing arguments. Maybe he is a master at jury reads, but it was a risky play and from what I saw, could very well pay off. His closing got the State to rebut with just pure angst. It was like watching my teenager up there telling me why he shouldn’t be suspended from school for bringing pot…all down to a checklist that he had to go through to make his point.

      Richards should have played the end to end events in real time, but he presented each point clearly for the most part. The State violated another person’s 5th amendment rights and the jury got sent away not once, but twice during that. It is clear that these two don’t care about your rights, just a promotion and that, I believe, was Richards point all along.

  24. Trigger Hippie

    *looks at my comments oni this article*

    I’m sorry. I’ve been a sloppy, stupid “Glib” douchebag tonight. I apologize.

    I’ll piss off for a few days at the very least. Again, sorry.

    • Ozymandias

      What!? Nay, say I!!
      Hit me up on the forum, TH.
      We’ll get some meat and share the peace pipe.
      Get on my calendar before Turkey Day – cuz I know the govt’s response is going to drop on the day before so I have to write my reply over Turkey Day.

    • one true athena

      It’s all good!

    • slumbrew

      Pshaw, you’ve been fine. Nowhere near peak douchbaggery.

    • Sean

      Never apologize!

    • Tres Cool

      I wouldn’t have Tres Ver. 2.0 if it wasn’t for Crown Royal.

      Much better George Thorogood.

  25. Ownbestenemy

    FedGov is a yoyo on the vaccine thing. So our ‘attestation’ deadline was the 8th…and nothing but emails that ‘you better attest!’. Most have, but some are waiting unitl Nov 22nd to attest since that is the deadline for when you need to be compliant. Union tactic no doubt and good on them. All we got so far, for us that have attested that we are seeking accommodations are letters of acknowledgment. Well not me, cause my boss is out and she needs to send that to me…I will note that down. Now we are onto full workforce November *mumble* They have wavered on that date. I put everyone back to work off WFH this week only to have to tell them stay home.

    Uncertainty with no clear direction is fucking bad. That is where we are at.

    • Sean

      As the HMFIC, I have not required notification of vaxxed status of my employees, and I never will.

    • hayeksplosives

      He’s counting on the short attention span of his viewers, who are all lefties. He doesn’t have to be persuasive or make a real case because he’s preaching to the choir. And all the choir wants to know are some talking points with which they can score points by regurgitating to their fellow lefties or by berating knuckle-dragging believers in the Bill of Rights.

      Sadly, he will face no negative consequence for his irresponsible reporting/slander.

    • Ownbestenemy

      I know. Should matter but it doesn’t. We need a waste bin for online comments since we can’t just keep moving on like we would on a street when some crazy bastard is spouting out nonsense.

  26. Tres Cool

    They gave me a night off, doge is injured yet ambulatory. Too many beers, and Jugsy is “in abstentia”.
    Im up all night long.

    • Tres Cool

      And while I have the tin roof of the Palatial 2X-Wide™ rattling from dual subs, have more Joe Walsh

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        ¿Qué pasó a doge?

      • Tres Cool

        I think its a shoulder tear/sprain/bump something from jumping all over like he’s 3 when he’s akshually 10.5.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        I know one like that.

        Too many beers for what or whom?

      • Tres Cool

        Well, there’s really no such thing as TOO MANY beers.
        Por favor, mas cerveza !
        And The Dozeris mending. Despite a mild limp, he’s still climbing on the couch and his futon.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        You weren’t the one who said he wakes up to 80 lbs of dogue, were you?

    • Tres Cool

      91 lbs last check. It either that or 375 lbs of Jugsy.

  27. Sean

    Pfuck pfauci.

    An electrician we work with was found dead of a heart attack yesterday.

    Me: “I guess he got a booster shot.”

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Oh, sorry to hear that. How old was he?

      • Sean

        “work with” is a loose association. He worked on a lot of sites we did, under contract.

        I didn’t know him, nor have ever met him.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      First Asian muppet? What took them so long? Also, throw a parade. Hurray, hurrah!

    • Tres Cool

      Thats only cause CoVID killed all the 105 year-old black sprinters.

    • Tres Cool

      I dont want to harsh it for you, but nearly every Depeche Mode song is about heroin.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Heh. “The Cat”, the L.A. paramedics apparently used to call him and his nine lives.

        Surely only after Violator, or perhaps Masses? I hear his second SO was a bad influence.

        Mornin’, Sams.

      • rhywun

        I dunno but I remember my housemates and I getting stoned out of our minds to that song, among others.

    • Gender Traitor

      Good morning, U, TO’G, homey, & Sean!

      Reliable Co-worker is back today, and we’re at the point where we wait to hear back from all the supervisors re: how much of a raise they want for their folks, so I’m not sure what I’m going to do at work today. I’m sure my boss will come up with something.

      • Tres Cool

        Dude, Im totally going to come over and kick it with you and TT some night.

      • UnCivilServant

        I realized I lost where I was in all the subplots of On Unknown Shores, so I don’t know what should happen next. So I’m rereading what I wrote.

    • Ghostpatzer

      Mornin’, all. I see the word is still insane, I keep waking up to the same bad dream.

      Passed my woke compliance test with flying colors, Yay me! ’twas a very educational experience. I learned that there are 29 classes protected from discrimination. Declining an experimental “vaccine” is not among them.

    • rhywun

      Wow, that’s a “novel” punishment.

      Now do “voters”.

      • Ghostpatzer

        They actually punish politicians who violate laws? Don’t like that law, but otherwise not a bad idea.

      • UnCivilServant

        No. Thye punish politicians for opposing the party in power.

        Same as always.

  28. l0b0t

    Rhywun, I belatedly provided an answer to your streaming question in the forum. Give Plex a try; I’ve been very, very happy with it.

    https://www.plex.tv/media-server-downloads/

    • rhywun

      I’ll check it out, thanks

  29. l0b0t

    Stinky, link is in the forum for Class Of 1984 and Class Of 1999.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      gracias

  30. Festus

    Supply chain disruptions? Try this on for size. Every road and rail line out of the Port of Vancouver is closed for the forseeable future. Floods and mudslides have knocked them out. There is one route still open but the truckers have to cross into Washington and take a long, long roundabout way to get North and East. Things might get pretty frantic up here right quick.

    • Gender Traitor

      Yikes! Have you mentioned that Judy (Judi? I forget exact spelling) has been “stocking up”? (***cough cough*** “prepping” ***cough cough***) Are you set for a little while at least?

      • Festus

        We’re fine unless the nat-gas or water go out. It’s now winter. I’m thinking weeks before the repairs are made but we’re still open to points East and all of our energy needs come from the North. I see a big run on toilet tissue and dog food. We have local breweries but mail and packages are out for now.

    • Ghostpatzer

      Shit, that sounds bad. With GT on this one, hope you’ve got a few items stocked up.

      • Festus

        Should have bagged that big pile of leaves a couple of weeks ago instead of burning them with such glee. Live and learn.

      • Festus

        Kidding aside, southern BC looks like what happens in California. Entire freeways just gone, railbeds crossing highways, pipelines shut down. There are entire towns evacuated because the floods backed up the sewers. It’s bad.

      • Ghostpatzer

        None of our major news outlets seem to have heard about this. They are too busy with bullshit to report actual news. Hope you’re OK.

    • Gender Traitor

      Skimming through, it looks as if this crap has been going on for many years through multiple U.S. administrations. Will anything be done about it now that the NYT is on the case?

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Until officers have their commissions pulled and end up in Leavenworth no.
        So no.
        The only way to avoid garbage like this is to avoid the underlying situation in the first place.

    • Ghostpatzer

      War crime? Sure sounds like it.

      “Lt. Col. Dean W. Korsak, an Air Force lawyer present at the Qatar air base when the massacre was observed, immediately ordered officials to preserve evidence, including video, and urged superiors to open a war crimes investigation. When they refused, Korsak alerted the Pentagon’s independent inspector general.”

      What’s with military lawyers? Something must be lacking in their training, seems like too many of them have a conscience.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Once this guy’s career gets its metaphorical teeth kicked in maybe they’ll get the message.

  31. cyto

    Today in propaganda:

    NBC Today Show had a segment on the Rittenhouse case. Showed all of the newly made up defense claims, “crossed state lines”, “you can’t claim self defense from a danger you create”… On and on…

    The defense?

    “The defense, doubling down on their claim of self defense…”

    The whole thing was structured as if the claim of self defense was ridiculous and desperate.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      What’s with the across the board seizing on the crossing state lines stuff? I missed the additional penalties for out of staters clause in the law I guess. For people who live in border areas crossing a state line is as normal as taking a shower after you wake up.

      • UnCivilServant

        A serf left the manor he was assigned to.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        I remember as a teen joking with my buddies about not taking dates across the state line. Haven’t really heard the issue raised since and I find it ridiculous.

      • UnCivilServant

        That’s an immoral purpose and subject to Mann Act prosecution.

        /snark.

      • Festus

        His mom lives about 20 miles from Kenosha where his dad lives. Kyle worked in Kenosha.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Yeah, exactly, it’s like a mantra that they chant that’s based on nothing and if it matters he does have some roots there.

    • rhywun

      I heard the gun never “crossed state lines”. Is that right?

      And I loved the little pretense that Kenosha could not be “his community” because it’s twenty miles away from his house. And in a different state FFS!!1!