Hedonistic Quality

by | Feb 19, 2022 | Beer, Economy, Food & Drink, Markets, Taxes | 127 comments

This column is getting expensive.  While beer is available pretty much anywhere I can want it, finding something I haven’t reviewed means finding something obscure for my home market.

Relax, I am not panhandling; I am going somewhere with this.

This is my review of Wren House Brewery Jomax Coffee Stout:

In 2018 the City of Seattle followed along the footsteps of other cities and levied an excise tax on soda.  A lot of such taxes are levied as a public health measure to encourage consumers into making better choices.  If the “better choice” is significantly less expensive than the “poor choice” due to the tax, the idea is a rational consumer will choose the former.  This is the impetus, among others, for taxes on cigarettes.  The other reason? Nicotine addiction creates an inelastic demand curve and thus people addicted to nicotine will pay the tax regardless of the total price to get their fix…and the cosmic ballet goes on

Yet, something funny happened in Seattle:

FEE argues this is the Cobra Effect in action but I caught wind of a different concept that might be in play here:  Hedonic Quality Adjustment.

Hedonic quality adjustment is one of the techniques the CPI uses to account for changing product quality within some CPI item samples. Hedonic quality adjustment refers to a method of adjusting prices whenever the characteristics of the products included in the CPI change due to innovation or the introduction of completely new products.

The use of the word “hedonic” to describe this technique stems from the word’s Greek origin meaning “of or related to pleasure.” Economists approximate pleasure to the idea of utility – a measure of relative satisfaction from consumption of goods. In price index methodology, hedonic quality adjustment has come to mean the practice of decomposing an item into its constituent characteristics, obtaining estimates of the value of the utility derived from each characteristic, and using those value estimates to adjust prices when the quality of a good changes.

What this means is the average consumer may have made a determination based on the fact they are aware what they are buying  is inherently bad.  When you buy a Coke, you are buying it knowing you there are 39 grams of sugar within the sweet, ice cold, syrupy goodness.  There is nothing healthy about it, but you are buying it because you like it.  Compare that to alternatives and you might find something else that has similar qualities, similar value on a cost basis that might check the box to bring you joy on the most primal of levels—

—except this alternative also gets you drunk.

I don’t know about you, but if soda and beer cost about the same where I live, I know which one I would pick.

 

The Jomax stout however, cost $15 for the 4-pack so I doubt I will have to make such a decision.  This is a coffee stout that will allow the average office worker to daydrink without anyone being the wiser.  Coffee in the sense that Starbucks lights their beans on fire resulting in something that tastes and smells like burned dirt.  Jomax is delightful in its intensity.  Chugging it however might be a slight challenge. Wren House Brewery Jomax Coffee Stout: 3.2/5

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127 Comments

  1. Not Adahn

    I don’t know about you, but if soda and beer cost about the same where I live, I know which one I would pick.

    White Claw?

    • mexican sharpshooter

      Well I do.have a White Claw for later.

  2. Yusef drives a Kia

    What’s the Abv on that one?

    • mexican sharpshooter

      6-7% if I remember correctly

      • The Hyperbole

        Beer Advocate says 6.9%

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        thanks MS!

  3. Ted S.

    Coffee in the sense that Starbucks lights their beans on fire resulting in something that tastes and smells like burned dirt

    This is part of why I’m a cheapskate who drinks Mr. Coffee-style coffee.

  4. CPRM

    I usually buy maybe 24 cans of soda a year for home consumption (not a soda tax thing, we don’t have that) (while when I go out to eat I will drink a lot of soda, it’s a special occasion, I’m eating out at a restaurant, which I typically do once a week or less.) But 24 beers? That’s maybe a day and a half. I’m a healthy sumbitch.
    *collapses and convulses*

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      “But 24 beers? That’s maybe a day and a half. I’m a sumbitch.”
      /My version

  5. Mojeaux

    Pop is not a thing for me unless I’m roadtripping (maybe not even then), at which time Mountain Dew is my go-to (diet Mtn Dew is disgusting).

    As y’all know, I don’t drink, so I wouldn’t have paid attention to a tax or how to avoid it.

    • CPRM

      Mountain Dew has CAFFIENE!!1!!! Rule Breaker!

      • Fatty Bolger

        Mojo’s unorthodox.

      • Name's BEAM. James BEAM.

        Moje should start “The Reformed Church of Jesus Christ of Really, Really Latter-Day Saints.”

        None of this mid-19th Century stuff. Seriously Latter. Shows commitment.

      • Hyperion

        If Moj starts a cult, I see it having ‘Oracle of the Albino Poet’ in the name. Don’t know why, just came to me.

      • Mojeaux

        Not albino. Glow in the dark.

      • Hyperion

        It just doesn’t sound right. You’ll never get your cult going with glow in the dark in the name. Oracle of the Albino Poet, or no cult!

      • Fatty Bolger

        A schism already, now you know it’s a real religion.

      • Mojeaux

        Hey! Gimme my cult back!

      • C. Anacreon

        The Church’s featured hymn can be Jim Morrison singing “Mojeaux Rising”.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Missus M. Rising?

      • Mojeaux

        I have explained this before. Caffeine is not verboten. Never was. A bunch of Karens got that embedded into cultural mores without church sanction and it spread like true-believer mask wearers.

      • Fatty Bolger

        What about a Coke that’s been sitting out in the hot sun? Allowed or not allowed?

      • Mojeaux

        Sun Coke?

        ?

    • Spudalicious

      How about soda?

      • mexican sharpshooter

        Is that like coke?

    • Mojeaux

      “Soda” and “Coke” are spelled P-O-P.

      • commodious spittoon

        Pepsi.

      • Name's BEAM. James BEAM.

        Why are we talking about the Québécois all of a sudden?

      • Spudalicious

        Pop was my mothers father. It’s soda.

      • Mojeaux

        You are wrong. Wronger than wrong.

      • Nephilium

        Soda is carbonated water. Pop is carbonated sweetened beverages.

      • Zwak,The Baddest Johnny on the Apple Cart

        Pop is what you do to your brother. Coke is what you drink.

        Soda is what you give crackers.

  6. robodruid

    Goodness the craziness continues.
    A local hospital program want to bill people (and somehow take care of them) at home.
    https://integrisok.com/resources/news/2021/august/integris-health-at-home

    Supposedly a team of nurses will be monitoring a bunch of patients while they stay at home, while family members take care of them.
    How meds are checked-they don’t say
    what happens if they have a heart attack- they don’t say.
    how vitals are checked-they don’t say.

    But they will bill as if you were in a hospital.

    Its insane.

    • CPRM

      There was a lawsuit in Michigan years ago where family members caring for others at home were seeking rent from the government to be paid as medical providers. I don’t remember the outcome, mayhaps this is some sort of offshoot from that decision? Of course, it came too late for me to seek rent for the decade I did such a thing.

      • CPRM

        Otherwise, it sounds like hospice care with an, in which case deadly doses of morphine incoming.

      • CPRM

        ‘hospice care with an app’ *

    • Chafed

      How do you know they will charge standard hospital rates. I don’t see that in the article.

    • Fatty Bolger

      It’s 2022, we were supposed to have auto-docs by now.

      • The Last American Hero

        Or at least a DocWagon card.

    • R C Dean

      Hospital at home is a thing. A good thing, when done right. Remote monitoring, support equipment and training, etc. gets you out of the hospital earlier. Totally up to the patient and their family.

      You’re discharged, so no, we don’t charge full boat.

      You may resume shaking your cane, yelling at clouds, etc.

      • C. Anacreon

        It’s huge in the healthcare industry right now. Everyone is looking for ideas that take place “beyond hospital walls”.

    • rhywun

      The pop/soda line is depicted too far to the west in NY, just sayin’.

      • Fatty Bolger

        These are the expected post-partition lines.

    • CPRM
    • Toxteth O'Grady

      I thought St. Louis had a “soda” exception.

      “Minerals”, to the Irish.

    • Fourscore

      “I’d like a cream pop, please”

      “Are you the pop jerk that works here”

      • C. Anacreon

        Dear kindly social worker,
        They tell me get a job,
        Like be a soda jerker,
        Which means I’d be a slob!

        /Officer Kruppke

  7. rhywun

    I am reminded of attempts to jack up the price of vaping to equal that of smoking cigarettes.

    It seems as plain as day that this will cause many vapers – esp. those who used it to quit smoking cigarettes – to smoke cigarettes.

    • Chafed

      No doubt. I think there is some preliminary evidence showing it has happened.

      • rhywun

        Where I am, vaping – at least Juuls, I don’t know anything about fancier rigs – is far cheaper than smoking, knock on wood. Probably because the cigarette tax is astronomical.

      • Chafed

        Is that still legal in NY? I thought I heard Michael Moynihan saying on a few occasions that he he needed to buy pirated vape cartridges.

      • rhywun

        Always legal.

        I don’t know what he’s smoking.

    • Fatty Bolger

      Foreseeable… not unintended.

      Now we can get back to the true mission of demonizing smokers.

      • mexican sharpshooter

        Depends, is smoking racist now?

      • Fatty Bolger

        Only if menthol is involved.

    • Nephilium

      It’s been made here in Cleveland by a couple different breweries. Same as there’s a Triple Dog Dare Belgian.

  8. commodious spittoon

    Kingsman has the most excellent opening of all time. It’s not just the Dire Straits. Actually it’s entirely the Dire Straits.

    • CPRM

      I give it a negative score because Ralph Fiennes character wasn’t an LGBTQPOCROBOTPHDBSDDSECSSECNFLNBANHLPGA

      • commodious spittoon

        It’s the sole action film in the last ten years that I can honestly label anti-woke.

      • Fatty Bolger

        Man, that’s depressing.

    • commodious spittoon

      This entire movie is fucking gold.

      • Fatty Bolger

        The church scene alone… I can’t even.

      • commodious spittoon

        The pub scene, seriously

      • Fatty Bolger

        And the ending, OMG! OMG! OMG!

      • C. Anacreon

        And the sequel re-does every good part from the original, only worse.

  9. db

    I’m a terrible libertarian. My hedonism score is pretty much bottomed out.

    • Fatty Bolger

      The Stoictarians will welcome you.

  10. The Late P Brooks

    I don’t know about you, but if soda and beer cost about the same where I live, I know which one I would pick.

    I haven’t the faintest idea how much sody pop costs. I only drink it when I have no alternative, like at the restaurant I ate lunch in yesterday.

    Of course, my beer of choice, Coors Light, doesn’t even qualify as beer to some people. Every now and then I’ll drink something with a little more body to it. I’m definitely over the quest for ABV. No high-test for me, thanks.

    • slumbrew

      I only drink it when I have no alternative, like at the restaurant I ate lunch in yesterday.

      They didn’t have water?

      • robc

        Clearly not, as he didnt order a Coors Light.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        ?

      • Fourscore

        It’s coffee, man, always coffee

        At a Chinese place we eat at occasionally coffee is an add on, made from instant, @ 2.39. Pathetic, I always drink water.
        Good coffee, OK, but fool me once or twice and after a while even I catch on

    • Tulip

      Coors was what my German grandpa drank. He used to bring it to my dad back in the 1970s. We all found Smoky and the Bandit fun.

      • Mojeaux

        +1 eastbound and down

      • Ted S.

        My German grandpa drank Pabst Blue Ribbon. The other big blue collar beer around these parts in those days was Genesee.

      • Tres Cool

        Wiedeman, Blatz, and/or Black Label were big with Tres Sr. But Im like him and Ill drink anything at hand.
        My grandparents always had Goebel around.

      • Hyperion

        Black label is probably the worst beer I have ever drank.

  11. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Report from the LPVA convention.

    It’s a remedial class in Roberts Rules. Woohoo!

    • db

      Is it being live streamed?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Not sure actually

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      We’re on the amendment to an amendment to a motion to consider a motion.

      I’m going to need more drugs.

      • mexican sharpshooter

        The AZ one drove me up a wall with that.

        Any idea on the MC chances?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        We appear to have a slight voting advantage at the moment

      • mexican sharpshooter

        …excelllent

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      The prags are fighting. They’re doing what they can to preserve seniority rules like it’s their little club.

  12. robc

    Family bragging time: My sister is a HS track coach. She won her sixth team state title this week.

    Three boys, three girls. Three indoor, three outdoor. And she lost at least 1 title to covid.

    • Fourscore

      Congrats to your sister. Is she also a history teacher?

      I was an Ed major, history majors were encouraged to get a coaching certificate. I chose Track and Baseball.
      Never taught, never coached

      • rhywun

        My social studies teacher was the football coach. I guess that’s what they used to call history.

        I did tennis with my physics teacher. Soccer is the only one I recall where the coach wasn’t a teacher.

    • JaimeRoberto (shama/lama/ding dong)

      Well it’s easy when you have the boys running against the girls.

  13. The Late P Brooks

    They didn’t have water?

    Fish fuck in it.

    Lemonade. Which, when it comes from the Coca Cola Company (Minute Maid) is non-fizzy soda. I add a splash of orange drank to liven it up.

    • Hyperion

      “corporate totalitarian-fluffers”

      *adds to insult arenal*

    • db

      Have people finally figured out that the best way to “support the troops” is to be more careful about sending them into harm’s way for no reason?

    • Hyperion

      You know how we know there is something wrong with them? They keep voting for Graham.

    • Hyperion

      Between Biden and Putin I’m on Putin’s side, I just can’t help it. I call for a caged death match here. Pay-per-view please.

    • Fourscore

      Both of the crowd are stuck in a phone booth at the Quik Stop

      • dbleagle

        We can support Ukraine in many ways besides sending troops or free weapons. Those of us who served in the Cold War are all timed out of the military and the current members don’t even remember the USSR. If Putin wants to recreate the 1943 Dnieper Campaign he can do it without us, just like last time.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        WW2 in real time is covering that campaign right now, the Soviet could roll when they got in gear,

      • Hyperion

        Why exactly are we supporting Ukraine? Is it some sort of bastion of liberty or something? Biden admin must think they are commies or they wouldn’t be on their side.

      • Fatty Bolger

        ‘Cause squirrel.

      • hayeksplosives

        In 2014, the president of Ukraine, Yanukovych—who was Eastern-leaning—said he wasn’t going to sign a planned agreement with the EU that would have strengthened western ties.

        There were protests that led to ~80 deaths nationwide. The US may or may not have assisted with the coup that saw President Yanukovych replaced with a pro-West president.

        Basically we stuck our nose into their business during the Obama administration to try to drive Ukraine further from Russia, and now Biden wants to continue that policy.

        Really no reason for us to get involved, and Ukraine has always had an East/West split. They have to figure this out on their own.

      • dbleagle

        I agree with you to a large extent HE but if Russia invades, that changes the nature of the fight from a civil war to an international war. If the Ukraine wants to buy arms, okay by me. If Americans want to form a private “Obama Brigade” and fight under the Ukrainian flag- I don’t know why you would want to- but okay. Private intelligence companies want to sell products and services to the Ukraine government- go ahead. The Ukraine government is corrupt, but even corrupt governments deserve to be able to defend their territory from outside invaders.

        What we don’t need to do as a part of official US policy, and with US gov provided dollars, is to fight Russia for a non-treaty country. This is doubly the case when the Russian military is organized, trained, and equipped to fight a high-end fight and the US is not. If for some reason biden decides to put US forces in harms way many many Americans will die. After two decades of fighting a low-end warfare against insurgents our military is organized, trained and equipped for that. Nobody’s fault, that is what happens. Compared to 9/11 we have huge deficits of heavy infantry and armor, a pitiful amount of tube artillery, not enough missile artillery to do anything but be wiped out, no credible air defenses, shortages of munitions of all types, and no real industrial base to support a heavy fight. That is just the ground forces. When you look at where we are with air and sea power we are even worse off. Since we almost totally closed the German based equipment depots (aka POMCUS sites) every bleeding thing will need to be put in hulls and shipped over. The Russian navy is not the USSR navy but not that many of the few hulls we have need to be sunk to break the “Atlantic Bridge.” Don’t even get me started on the Cyber fight.

        NATO and the EU won’t do much since Germany and France want energy to flow west and their goods and services to flow east. With them trying to sidestep any economic sanctions it won’t mean much in the short term for any US sanctions. Putin has been economically preparing for the option of war for over a year. Any sanctions might mean fewer Russian “party girls” in Florida for spring break (sorry FL men) but since Putin has been de-dollaring his economy and stockpiling grain and strategic materials the Russian economy has plenty of fat on the bone for short term sanctions.

        The western Euro countries have once again proved themselves to be little yappy dogs inside barking at the big dog on the street. All the talk of an independent EU military capacity has gone away again. The big dog heard the yaps and is standing in the front gate. Now the little dog is looking for the American pitbull and UK bulldog to back up the yapping- except they can’t and are hopefully not interested in trying.

      • hayeksplosives

        What we don’t know is whether Putin ever intended to invade or if the “military exercises” were all for show and intimidation, not to mention to enhance Putin’s popularity with his people.

        It seems like Biden isn’t trying to give Putin any opportunity to back down, and to the contrary, seems to want an invasion, despite the cost to America in lives and resources.

        Insane.

  14. Gustave Lytton ????

    Fuck you WP and your silent comment eating.

  15. Hyperion

    You wanna know how good my hedonism is? Well, I can tell you that I recognize HIPSTER JUICE when I see it!

  16. Hyperion

    Fuck, a beer with Hen House in the name! Super hipster chickster juice!

      • Hyperion

        LOL. That hould be the theme song for Panera Bread since they have those hen perches up front and all the hens sit on those and cackle.

  17. Hyperion

    So what’s the odds of Ghislaine committing suicide in the near future?

    • Tres Cool

      Im betting that she has made arrangements to have her list copied, safely stowed, and in the event of her demise, has instructed people to release it. And they know that.
      It’s the only reason why she’s still breathing.

      • Hyperion

        I stopped drinking beer. Lost 6 lbs so far, feel a lot better, no bloated feeling. Wife bought a bottle of bourbon, Willett Pot Still Reserve, never tried it, pretty bottle. I bought a bottle of Botanist Gin, it’s pretty good. Going to have a tumbler of that on rocks in a while here with a splash of pomegranate and squeeze in some lime. Not it is not hipster juice! Limiting myself to a few drinks one night a week or less and no beer.

      • Hyperion

        Did not mean to reply directly to yor post, Tres, that was weird. I swear I was not on that island! But if I was, I saw Gates and Klaus.

    • Fourscore

      Alec Baldwin’s her jailer?

    • Not an Economist

      Personally, I think she will commit suicide by shooting herself in the back of the head 6 or 7 times. They will be unable to find the gun.

  18. Raven Nation

    Haha, suck it Pep.

    • rhywun

      Oooo nice.

  19. Gustave Lytton ????

    I’d like to once again thank the “painter” who painted latex directly over the original oil in our house. On the plus side, I have plenty of paint chips now. And oil paint/primer is more pleasant to work with (in the short term) for that vapor high than latex. Is a bit of a pain to clean up.

  20. The Late P Brooks

    The US may or may not have assisted with the coup that saw President Yanukovych replaced with a pro-West president.

    Basically we stuck our nose into their business during the Obama administration to try to drive Ukraine further from Russia, and now Biden wants to continue that policy.

    “The ’80s called, and they want their foreign policy back,” Obama? That one?

    • hayeksplosives

      No, the Obama you’re talking about is the Campaign Obama, ca. 2012.

      The 2014 President Obama was a different guy.

  21. dbleagle

    PSA- This evening TCM is featuring “In the Heat of the Night” starring Sidney Poitier and Rod Steiger. If the younger Glibs haven’t seen it, I recommend it. For the more seasoned Glibs among us, see it again.

    • Ted S.

      “No Way Out” at 10 AM tomorrow is a darn interesting movie too.

  22. dontreadonme

    Both great flicks. “Guess who’s coming to dinner” is my favorite Poitier flick, though lovebirds Tracy and Hepburn steal the show.