Joemala: Episode 60

by | Mar 2, 2022 | Joemala | 231 comments

 

“Is it OK to come in?” Finnegan asked from the doorway, a hand clamped tightly over her eyes.

“Come in, Marcy,” Joe said. His pupils were blown out by the cocktail of drugs they had given him for the State of the Union address and his hands still shook like chihuahuas.

“Are you sure?” she asked.

“He left a w-w-w-week ago,” Joe said.

Finnegan took her hand away and look cautiously around the room.

“He’s gone,” Joe said tiredly.

“I can’t believe you invited him in here.”

“It was his for four years,” Joe said. “New carpets and flooring, new drywall and mercury-impregnated paint doesn’t change that.”

“You know what they say about things you can’t unsee?” Finnegan asked. “That’s literal. I went to the eye doctor. I have a dead spot in my right eye from your make-out session. Low blood pressure optic nerve stroke. They said it was from when I fainted.”

“That’s just how politics works,” Joe said. “You make out with your predecessors, you help Hillary bury a body, you spring Tom DeLay from a drunk tank.”

“And I’m totally gay now.”

“That’s nice, dear. Don’t bring any fats home.”

“I’m so sorry about the State of the Union address, Grandpa. Those horrible women heckling, those gargoyles sitting behind you.”

“Being exposed like that is just the job of the Vice President,” Joe said.

“You’re the President, Grandpa.”

“I know that!” the old man snapped.

“Please calm down,” Finnegan said. She began searching her pockets for a Miltown.

Joe looked up at her and smiled. “Hey, sweetheart. When did you get here.”

“We need to get you in bed, Grandpa,” she said forcefully.

“I truly believe the Iranian people will never love Putin. Donald taught me that much.”

“Trump is just so gross,” Finnegan groaned.

“Just be glad he didn’t bring his hat,” Joe said. “That little bastard is a real fucker.”

“His hat?” Finnegan asked. “What are you talking about?”

“The hair,” Joe whispered. “Make them vacuum again. If even one is left behind…”

Joe’s eyes closed and his head fell forward.

“Grandpa?” Finnegan asked. “Grandpa?” She shook him gently.

When he didn’t respond, she slapped a big red button on the Oval Office desk. An ice-cold Diet Coke slid up out of a recess in the desk. Slapping another large red button on the side of the desk lowered the lights in the office, the security shields came down over the windows, and a jazzy version of “The Girl From Ipanema” began to burble.

“Which one is it?” Finnegan shouted over the music.

She felt under the desk and found a toggle and flipped it. A portion of the office wall slid away and a bidet thrust itself in the room. A siren began to warble and wail.

A thick line of drool was hanging from Joe’s mouth and it reached down into his lap.

“Where’s the medical emergency button?” she screamed.

Finnegan ran her hand down into Joe’s shirt. His LifeAlert necklace was missing. Someone began pounding on the door to the Oval Office, muffled shouting, the bleep-blorp of the Secret Service trying to over-ride security settings.

She began slapping at all the buttons on, under, or near the Resolute desk. The toilets in the Presidential Shitter flushed repeatedly, the music changed to Boys II  Men, a rack of dusty swords and muskets slid from the wainscotting, and the skeleton of a large eagle fell from the ceiling.

“Fuck,” Finnegan screamed. “Fuck, fuck, fuck.”

She pushed her way through the half-open door of the Presidential Shitter, thought for the thousandth time about how they should change the name, and shut the door behind her. The water in the hydrotherapy pool was boiling and the expensive Japanese toilet seemed to have fallen into a defensive crouch.

Finnegan lit one of the massive deodorizing candles and slapped off the lights.

To her wavering reflection in the giant mirror, she said clearly and in an even voice: “Hunter, Hunter, Hunter.”

The siren stopped and the toilet relaxed. She heard Joe in the office proper cry out, “My boy! My beautiful boy!”

She looked out, barely cracking the door, to see her grandfather up out of his chair, kissing her father and crying.

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231 Comments

  1. Translucent Chum

    Hunterjuice!

    • Lackadaisical

      Eww!

      /Teenage girl voice

      • Not Adahn

        Apparently some teenage girls are into him. Or he’s into them.

      • Compelled Speechless

        He’s Epstein’s obvious heir apparent.

    • MikeS

      Hunterman.

      • MikeS

        …or maybe Huntyman.

  2. R.J.

    Fantastic. All the buttons…

    • Draw Me Like One of Your Tulpae, Jack

      That’s where I really LOLed. Diet Coke button!

  3. robodruid

    Slightly less disturbing.
    Trivia, most latex pain had mercury as anti-fungal preservative. (once in the day, had to test a lot of Hazardous Waste)

    • db

      latex pain

      I’m not sure about this. I’ll wait ’til an expert here can confirm. I’m pretty sure we have some experts in the subject around here.

  4. Drake

    Wow. Just Wow.

    Don’t bring any fats home.

    Good advise.

  5. DEG

    a rack of dusty swords and muskets slid from the wainscotting

    Now that’s a cool feature.

    • Not Adahn

      and the skeleton of a large eagle fell from the ceiling.

      Douglas Adams would approve.

    • Animal

      Doesn’t everyone have one of those?

      • Not Adahn

        I am a bit ashamed that I didn’t have secret rooms built into my house.* I didn’t want to sacrifice the apparent square footage.

        *AFAYK

      • Animal

        Our neighbor has a great one. I’d tell you where, but then he’d have to kill you. And me, for telling you.

      • Not Adahn

        You’ve been living in AK for what? A month and a half? And the neighbors are already showing off their secret rooms? The long winters must make them gullible trusting.

      • Animal

        A little over a year now. But my country-boy charm and rugged good looks does have that effect on folks.

      • Spudalicious

        Uhhh…

      • CPRM

        When I remodeled one of my rooms there was a corner that had access to plumbing for the bathroom next to the room, so I put it behind a ‘hidden’ door. Haven’t gotten around to building the bookcase on it like I want to.

      • Tundra

        Thermal imaging makes them kind of useless, no?

      • The Hyperbole

        Plus you have to kill your builder and all the workers that know about it and that takes a lot of trips to the robot hog farm.

      • Tulip

        My sister has one, complete with bookshelf. One bookshelf swings out as the door. I think it is cool.

  6. Not Adahn

    his hands still shook like chihuahuas.

    Ce sont les mots juste!

    • Fourscore

      Poetry, we’ve all seen both and understand the similarity

  7. Tundra

    She began slapping at all the buttons on, under, or near the Resolute desk. The toilets in the Presidential Shitter flushed repeatedly, the music changed to Boys to Men, a rack of dusty swords and muskets slid from the wainscotting, and the skeleton of a large eagle fell from the ceiling.

    The details are just so divine!

    • Not Adahn

      The diet coke callback was great.

  8. db

    “The hair,” Joe whispered. “Make them vacuum again. If even one is left behind…”

    Best line?

    • Lackadaisical

      I’m curious what happens if a hair of The Hair is left behind. Does a new Hair spawn?

      • db

        Normally, yes. But when the cell division process is damaged by radiation or harsh product, look out–you’re into Hat territory then.

      • CPRM

        Oh, I was thinking that Gamma Rays were the origin of Don King’s Hair.

      • db

        I think it might take a wayward electron beam to get to that level.

      • Compelled Speechless

        Other way around. Don King’s hair is the origin of Gamma Rays. Why do you think fighter he surrounded himself with became an unstoppable hulk?

      • Bobarian LMD

        I believe its like leaving a bug, but capable of some low form of mind control for the near by easily influenced.

    • Fourscore

      It’s a tough choice, like a list of 10 and finding the only one that doesn’t fit.

    • juris imprudent

      Yes, but it is close.

    • MikeS

      “Just be glad he didn’t bring his hat,” Joe said. “That little bastard is a real fucker.”

      My favorite

  9. Lackadaisical

    ‘ his hands still shook like chihuahuas.’

    I can see it so vividly.

  10. Not Adahn

    Boys to Men

    Typo?

    • SugarFree

      I didn’t look it up. The mysteries of late 80s R&B naming conventions can be quite opaque at times.

      • Not Adahn

        I has a fraternity rother obsessed with them.

  11. Ed Wuncler

    “Just be glad he didn’t bring his hat,” Joe said. “That little bastard is a real fucker.”

    Masterpiece

  12. CPRM

    “The hair,” Joe whispered. “Make them vacuum again. If even one is left behind…”

    Like Eurasian watermilfoil.

    …a fragment can break off, settle in the sediment, grow roots, and establish a new plant.

  13. J. Frank Parnell

    Is it a good sign or a bad sign that I only know what a wainscotting is because of Monty Python’s Flying Circus?

    • Rat on a train

      You have sheep?

    • SugarFree

      That’s how I know it.

  14. Rat on a train

    Aaaaaaaah! Corporate sent out an internal email in support of Ukraine.

    • Nephilium

      Same here. Although we don’t have operations in that country, they set up multiple forums for people to support each other in these trying times.

      • Rat on a train

        They aren’t offering paid time off to go fight.

      • Ed Wuncler

        I’ve noticed that corporations as of late feel the need to comment on every national and foreign event.

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        *nods sullenly*

        We actually have an office or two in Ukraine, but every level of management used the crisis activation emails as an opportunity to virtue signal.

    • ron73440

      There was a blue and yellow billboard on the 64 this morning:

      WE STAND WITH UKRAINE.

      • Urthona

        I am getting ads on my social media to buy clothing in support of Ukraine.

        But the best is i’m getting ads for a dating site for Ukrainian women.

      • Lackadaisical

        When does she arrive?

      • pistoffnick the refusnik

        Does she have a sister?

      • Ted S.

        On the 64 whats?

      • ron73440

        Interstate 64 in Norfolk VA.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        NATO Joint Forces Command Center probably bought it.

    • Not Adahn

      Mine is matching employee donations 200%.

      • Urthona

        Aren’t the donations going to wind up going to Russians in the long run?

      • R C Dean

        If they are used to buy Javelins and Stingers, yes. At a high rate of speed.

      • Urthona

        Nice

      • Gustave Lytton

        Only 100% match. And used for IRC, UNICEF, or UHCR. So basically pissed down the pot of grift. Allegedly because employees are asking how they can support Ukraine. Bullshit. If rank and file employees really were interested, they’d donate directly and would have done so already. Astroturfing by HR and CSR.

        Also “Women are great. let’s celebrate them!”
        ?‍♂️

      • rhywun

        ?!

        Oh, it’s March now.

      • juris imprudent

        Madness, madness!

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        I’m heavy on the delete button. I had a brownbag lunch invitation for discussing the importance of pronouns and other inclusive language. That thing was deleted in milliseconds. I’ve noticed an actual psychological harm if I let them linger in the inbox. Just knowing it’s there eats at my brain.

    • Raven Nation

      My school just did that – from the head honcho. I’m tempted to ask them when they plan to send one about Yemen, Chad, Sudan, etc, but, you know, deaf ears and all.

    • UnCivilServant

      “Does that mean the CEO is going to go fight on the ground?”

  15. Not Adahn

    Slapping another large red button on the side of the desk lowered the lights in the office, the security shields came down over the windows, and a jazzy version of “The Girl From Ipanema” began to burble.

    How did Matt Lauder get to install buttons?

    • Compelled Speechless

      Most people would probably assume that was a Clinton addition. Fun fact, it was actually Gerald Ford. He was apparently quite the lothario when he was in the White House. He and Betty would tag team all the interns. They would just line them up outside the Lincoln bedroom on Saturday nights and go through ’em one by one. The room came to be known as “The Ford Assembly Line.”

      • Gustave Lytton

        Models T&A make sense now…

  16. juris imprudent

    I have a dead spot in my right eye

    So say we all, who have read the work of SF.

  17. Bobarian LMD

    She looked out, barely cracking the door, to see her grandfather up out of his chair, kissing her father and crying.

    And now Finnegan has another blind-spot to deal with?

    I know I do.

    • Compelled Speechless

      No mention of Hunter’s coke and viagra fueled erect state at this point, SugarFree? I’m disappointed. Unlike Hunter, you’ve gone soft.

  18. ron73440

    The desk buttons almost got me in trouble, had to fake a coughing episode so no one would know why I was laughing.

    Hilarious, SF!

    • juris imprudent
      • ron73440

        Perfection.

      • slumbrew

        Tricky’s first and more or less only (credited) film role.

  19. Scruffy Nerfherder

    I always feel like I’m reading the literary results of watching Spike and Mike’s Twisted Festival of Animation one too may times.

  20. SugarFree

    AS AN ASIDE

    We are experiencing some technical difficulties with the site. I want you all to know that we are not working on it. The only people smart enough to work on WordPress are either busy or really mad at us right now.

    • robc

      Who is mad, did I miss some internal glibs gossip?

      • Tundra

        I’m mad.

      • pistoffnick the refusnik

        …as a hatter!

      • Nephilium

        No music?

        I am dissapoint in you Tundra.

      • slumbrew

        I don’t like it when mommy and daddy fight.

      • Plinker762

        I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore

      • Ted S.

        As my piano teacher liked to say, “Humans get angry. Dogs go mad.”

        If any of the students misbehaved, she’d say, “I’ll crown you!” So you can imagine my opinion of the traditional hymn “Crown Him With Many Crowns”.

    • Grumbletarian

      I STAND WITH GLIBERTARIANS!

      • pistoffnick the refusnik

        *stands on top of desk*

      • ron73440

        ATTICA! ATTICA!

      • Animal

        Two bits.
        Four bits.
        Six bits, a peso.
        All those for Glibs,
        Stand up and say so!

      • Bobarian LMD

        OH CAPTAIN, MY CAPTAIN!

      • Ted S.

        I’m a Christian. My ears are not garbage cans!

  21. The Late P Brooks

    i’m getting ads for a dating site for Ukrainian women.

    There was a young blonde girl (presumably a refugee) on the teevee at the gym this morning whom I would gladly take in.

  22. Tundra

    Poor Strawberry isn’t looking too good this morning. I’m sort of looking forward to her cracking live on camera.

    • juris imprudent

      Oh, to think of her going all Howard Beale.

      • whiz

        How about going all Howard Dean?

  23. The Late P Brooks

    Joe’s eyes closed and his head fell forward.

    “Grandpa?” Finnegan asked. “Grandpa?” She shook him gently.

    *throws flag, blows whistle*

    Fifteen yards for taunting.

  24. The Late P Brooks

    Poor Strawberry isn’t looking too good this morning. I’m sort of looking forward to her cracking live on camera.

    She’s been racking up some hard miles.

    • Compelled Speechless

      Who’s Miles?

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Those eyes look deader and deader, like a doll’s eyes.

      • Tundra

        It’s really something, isn’t it?

        I keep imagining the scene in her kitchen this morning when the early numbers came in. Her husband will be wearing the large sunglasses today!

  25. Rebel Scum

    I didn’t catch the end last night.

    Biden appears to end the #StateOfTheUnion with a demand for US troops to “go get him!”, presumably meaning Putin.

    “May God protect our troops, thank you, go get him!”

    The general tone from the US/UK is that we are on a war footing with Russia.

    The usual line is “God bless America.” I’m not sure who is being addressed and who is to be gotten.

    • R C Dean

      I’m not sure who is being addressed and who is to be gotten.

      That’s OK. Neither is Biden.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      JFC

      Doddering old corrupt fools will get us all killed.

    • Nephilium

      You know… the guy! That bad guy. Saddam!

  26. PieInTheSky

    Back in old Bucharest and it is not nuked yet.

    • Sean

      Time to go pick up your hot refugee!

      • Bobarian LMD

        Hot Ukrainian women are waiting for your call now!

        Dial 1-900-PUTIN-OUT

    • Rebel Scum

      There’s still time.

      • PieInTheSky

        oh shush

    • PieInTheSky

      that all looks like gibberish to me

    • Fourscore

      I learned something today. I really didn’t need to know it but now I do

    • Not Adahn

      Wait, that’s a complete upper?

      • Sean

        Sans charging handle, BCG, sights. You know, the bits most of us have extras of anyway.

      • Not Adahn

        Bought one anyway.

        You have extra BCGs?

      • Sean

        Not after ordering this. ?

        But I’ll probably order another back up.

  27. Rebel Scum

    I like how Dr. Jill steps in.

    REPORTER: “As a Catholic, why do you support abortion?”

    BIDEN: “I don’t want to get in a debate with you on theology, but you know…I’m not going to make a judgement for other people.”

    REPORTER: “But you’re Catholic!”

    • Gustave Lytton

      If you don’t remember your sins, you don’t have to confess them. So no problem receiving communion.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Communionism?

      • slumbrew

        That movie definitely has to be on the “to be cancelled” list.

      • Compelled Speechless

        Because of Short Round’s offensive Asian accent?

      • slumbrew

        Oh, you sweet boy(?). As if that was the only thing that will be judged as ‘Not OK!’

      • Compelled Speechless

        You’re right I feel so naïve. Kate Capshaw’s appropriation of Indian culture and clothing is beyond monstrous. The only thing more offensive is her entire performance in that movie.

      • slumbrew

        How about how it portrays the noble savages indigenous people as some sort of bloodthirsty theists!

      • Compelled Speechless

        They’re actually okay with that. It shows how stupid and backwards all the religious plebs are. Everyone knows that atheists are the only civilized and enlightened people. Now if they worshiped Mother Gaia, and acted like that, we’d have a real problem on our hands.

  28. Gustave Lytton

    the expensive Japanese toilet

    ? “I miss the shits down in assrica…” ?

    • MikeS

      /taps foot, nods head

    • Rebel Scum

      Her brain reset a la “Good morning. Sunday morning.”?

    • Tundra

      Best reply.

      • Sean

        🙂

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      WTF? Is she drunk?

    • Certified Public Asshat

      Again, she’s 82. Definitely drinking the blood of children.

      • ron73440

        “We have to drink the blood so we can find out what is in it.”

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        In my mind, I just had an unholy image of Hunter servicing Nancy and letting her bleed him.

        I probably should take a break from this place.

    • Compelled Speechless

      I’ve never seen her so excited. New rumor. Nancy is definitely pegging Joe.

      • one true athena

        Now we’re all blind.

      • Compelled Speechless

        Well, everyone except “One-eyed Nancy”. It doubles as a Go-Pro.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Sung to the tune of Jethro Tull.

  29. Sensei

    OT – Hertz has gone scorched earth here.

    If you’ve rented a car from Hertz, there could be a warrant out for your arrest

    I’m going to be really curious to see if they manage to get prepetition claims paid. OTH, it also appears that Hertz hasn’t changed the way it makes charges of theft. It’s also a great example of something that folks don’t seem to get about libertarians. These kinds of abuses by large corporations with regulatory capture also need to get called out.

    • Compelled Speechless

      If I can say one nice thing about the Cato libertarians, it’s that they put up the boring, unsexy fights against BS like regulatory capture. It’s one of the more insidious parts of the public/private partnership that is our current Democracy/Empire/Fascist dictatorship.

      • Draw Me Like One of Your Tulpae, Jack

        Lincicome FTW

    • Gustave Lytton

      Paging JI to add Hertz employees to the Corrector series.

    • Ownbestenemy

      This is why at those rental places that leave keys in car for pickup and drop off I always snap a photo…always. Just send me a person that I can watch check my car back in please.

    • robc

      Court records show that police at the Indianapolis and Louisville airports did just that. After multiple reports of stolen vehicles that ended up being located on Hertz’s lots, those agencies reportedly said they wouldn’t take new reports from the company.

      The LPD has many problems, but good for them. I will call them out when they do something right.

      • Sean

        Heh.

  30. The Late P Brooks

    The only people smart enough to work on WordPress are either busy or really mad at us right now.

    Like this?

  31. The Late P Brooks

    WTF?

    The only people smart enough to work on WordPress are either busy or really mad at us right now.

    Like this?

    • Plinker762

      The squirrels are still working

      • R C Dean

        It was pretty laggy for awhile this morning, but seems OK now.

  32. R C Dean

    The things you never notice:

    I was just looking at a longer shot of Biden giving the SOTU, and noticed there are giant fasces on the wall behind him.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Looks like it predates (1886) the modern interpretation.

      • R C Dean

        Those have been there for a long time, ISTR.

        Hence, “The things you never notice”.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I never really noticed the schlubby looking cap before.

      • R C Dean

        That’s from the French Revolution, if memory serves.

  33. Drake

    Well this sucks. My LG phone won’t work after this month with the Sprint / T-Mobile merger – and LG has exited the phone market.

    Now I have to decide which features I no longer want in the shitty replacements they are offering me.

    • Gender Traitor

      Huh. I have an LG phone, too. Had to switch from an older LG when we switched from Verizon to Spectrum. I miss that old phone with the physical keypad. ? #JusticeForClubbedThumbs!

    • Compelled Speechless

      What model? I have an LG too and I’d like to know if I need to get on top of this before my service just gets cutoff.

      Also, pissed about loosing LG phones. I had 5 in a row and I always liked them.

    • db

      which LG phone do you have?

      • Drake

        G-7 ThinQ

        Really like it – particularly the amplifier setting for the headphone jack. None of the replacements being offered even have a jack.

      • db

        Crap. That’s what I have. I love it. Sucks that I have to replace it.

        I get crappy Sprint service at my house — Verizon is shit here too, but AT&T is good. I may have to switch carriers while I’m at it.

      • db

        Sprint’s web site says “a 5G or 4G LTE device” is required. I thought the LG G7 was 4G LTE? It says it’s connected to LTE all the time.

      • Compelled Speechless

        I have a V60 that I love for the same reason. You can always buy a refurb that is compatible and likely cheaper too. I’ve had a T-mobile SIM in it for a few months so it should carry over. Their service has been pretty stellar. Almost everywhere I go I’m getting good 5g.

      • db

        I need a headphone jack. That plus a fast processor are absolute requirements.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Pixel 5a has an audio jack.

    • kinnath

      I had LG phones for 10 or 15 years. When the last one failed, I couldn’t get another one. So I when with Samsung.

      I don’t hate the Samsung, but I don’t like it either. And now the USB connector is fucked. I had to buy a wireless charger to keep the phone charged up. I can’t download photos to my computer anymore. Fuck Samsung.

      • ron73440

        I had good luck with Samsung, I always buy refurbished from Amazon.

        My S6 lasted 6 years until fell into a tidal pool running on the beach.

        I have an S10 now with 64GB because it has all of my 500 or so CD’s on it, hope for at least 6 years.

      • kinnath

        The Samsung has a nice camera. But, I can no longer get photos off the camera on to my computer.

      • The Hyperbole

        Can’t you email them to yourself?

      • kinnath

        I have done that to get a photo I really needed.

        But I have a habit of taking lots of photos of my projects and then downloading to computer. I use the photos for class notes and for articles that occasionally post here.

        So, I need to be able to grab several dozen photos at a time.

        I expect I need to find some bluetooth dongle to plug into my desktop to connect to my phone.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        What about a cloud storage service like DropBox?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        *looks below*

        ah…

      • db

        I set up a NextCloud server in my rack at home and my phone backs everything up there as it’s created.

      • Compelled Speechless

        Here’s a bunch of options to do it wirelessly. There’s a bunch of cloud storage options. Probably even one or two that aren’t owned by Google/Apple/Microsoft/Amazon.

      • kinnath

        Fuck cloud storage. I hate all the service providers.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        You probably want a wifi sync app that will automatically execute when the laptop and phone are on the same network.

        There are a few available. I don’t know which is best.

      • kinnath

        I wasn’t aware of those. I will investigate.

      • ron73440

        I remember now, my S6 did that to me and I took it to a repair place and they fixed it, but it was expensive because they broke the screen (which they warned me could happen).

      • kinnath

        The engineer in me wants to throttle whichever dumbfuck decided to put a cheap connector into a many, many hundred dollar phone.

      • Lackadaisical

        They’re better than the rest, at least in my (limited) experience.

      • kinnath

        My last phone was a LG G8. I loved it.

      • Drake

        That is a thought…

  34. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Guess who published all their trial data under cover of the Ukraine clusterfuck?

    • ron73440

      Hitler?

      No that’s not right, I am not good at this.

    • Compelled Speechless

      This should be good. Do you have any links?

      • R C Dean

        Took ’em long enough to “clean it up”.

        I wonder what the real data shows.

    • juris imprudent

      This is the stuff the FDA wanted 70 years to produce?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        According to the commentary I’m reading, yes.

      • Compelled Speechless

        Interesting that they would release this without a gun to their head, especially after setting the expectations that we won’t get it until after everyone that cares is dead.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        They were court ordered to…lol.

      • robc

        150 total, 125 of them released yesterday.

      • rhywun

        Basement nerds, assemble!

      • Tres Cool

        4CHAN……activate!

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        ewwww…

    • Ted S.

      Letitia James?

  35. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Russia appears to be holding to its initial demands in the talks.

    The Ukrainian outlet Glavkom cited Ukrainian sources who said Russia laid out its terms to Ukraine during the first round of talks. The sources said Russia wants Kyiv to commit to neutrality at the parliamentary level and organize a referendum on this matter.

    Russia also wants Ukraine to recognize the breakaway Donbas republics of Donetsk and Luhansk and drop its demand for Russia to return Crimea. For their part, Glavkom said Ukraine asked for a ceasefire and for Russia to withdraw its troops.

    https://news.antiwar.com/2022/03/01/report-second-round-of-russia-ukraine-talks-could-start-as-soon-as-wednesday/

    • Rebel Scum

      its demand for Russia to return Crimea

      Ukraine is no where near the position of strength it would require for this to be taken seriously.

      Russia also wants Ukraine to recognize the breakaway Donbas republics of Donetsk and Luhansk

      This is not unreasonable.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        for Russia to return Crimea

        That one is a complete non-starter for a number of reasons, and Ukraine knows it. I expect they just put it in there as a negotiating tactic.

      • Seguin

        I think it’d be more reasonable to hold a referendum on their independence with international observers rather than just straight recognition. It’s hard to tell whether the two breakaway states are organic or instigated/magnified by Russian interference. Consider the “salami-slice” tactics of the PRC.

      • juris imprudent

        The Stockman article pointed to the voting patterns in the 2014 election, that put the pro-Russian in the presidency and precipitated a coup. The voting clearly indicated the split – far more graphically than our own red/blue split.

      • Seguin

        Voting for a Pro-Russian candidate is significantly different from voting for independence. A proper vote with observers in peace-time, no matter the result, would lead to a less acrimonious split than a unilateral and embarrassing cession after a defeat in battle – which would cause friction down the road.

        I’m all for DPR and LPR to be independent or join Russia, so long as that’s what the people on the ground actually want – the trouble is getting an honest assessment of their desires.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        The Donbas region has been getting shelled for the past six or seven years by the Ukrainians for seceding after the 2014 coup. They held a referendum back in 2015 to join Russia which passed easily, but Russia said no. Luhansk and Donetsk would rather continue fighting than rejoin Ukraine.

      • R C Dean

        Luhansk and Donetsk would rather continue fighting than rejoin Ukraine.

        I’m sure the actual Russian soldiers and “mercenaries” there would rather continue fighting. I don’t really have any info I trust about what the residents think. Referenda under Russian occupation don’t strike me as super-reliable.

        I wonder if there are any border provinces in Russia that might prefer Ukraine? Why not hold referendums in all the border provinces, if we are moving boundaries around.

      • Seguin

        Yes, I know that (except for the referendum). And they’ve similarly been attacking Ukrainian forces with Russian help for the last few years too – but that’s immaterial.

        As for the referendum, I’m not trusting a referendum that happened in a state of current civil war, with armed men on both sides, tempers running high, two more powerful neighbors jockeying for control, no oversight, etc. etc. The U.S.A. can’t even hold an election without massive irregularities and fraud, why would I think a region with all of that working against it could?

        As for continuing fighting, you’re anthropomorphising. They aren’t Luhansk and Donetsk, they’re people in Luhansk and Donetsk, who claim to represent the will of the majority of non-combatants who may or may not agree.

        Once again, I’m all for self-determination. I believe in it. But that’s just it, without some kind of impartial observer ensuring people are voting under the same rules and fairly, whose will is being expressed?

    • R C Dean

      Why do I find it extraordinarily unlikely that the Russians mounted a full-scale invasion of Ukraine to . . . . maintain the status quo ante?

      Except for the “parliamentary commitment to neutrality”, which strikes me as valid until the next vote. And the Russians know it.

      • R C Dean

        Here’s a problem with these negotiations:

        The Russians are asking for Ukraine to give. If they get what they want, they will have demonstrated that any time they want more, all they have to do is invade. And they are asking Ukraine to leave itself isloated and weak (“neutrality” means “no defense treaties with anyone”). If I’m a Ukrainian, there’s zero upside (other than the Russians stop this invasion, which isn’t small). But I would have no reason to believe they won’t be back. Sure, it sucks to be a buffer state, but this is just flat-out extortion, literally at gunpoint. That’s gonna be tough for the Ukrainians to agree to.

  36. hayeksplosives

    “ The expensive Japanese toilet seemed to have fallen into a defensive crouch.”

    Pure poetry, every word of it. Perhaps my favorite Joemala yet.

    Also, that photo with Hunter is supremely creepy. Is it photoshop?

      • juris imprudent

        You are just so perfect at taking the real stuff and without doing a thing making it more horrifying.

      • Aloysious

        I initially thought it was from that goddammed Popular Mechanics article that was published back during the Obama administration.

        I still hate them for that pile of excrement.

      • Fourscore

        But who hasn’t kissed their 5 year olds, girls and boys? I don’t remember but I’m guessing my 6 year old boy would have started rejecting any masculine advances.

        I’m thinking I may have kissed my dad the last time I saw him, I’d have been early 30s and on my way overseas. As it turned out I was right. Just a glancing one on the side of a grizzled stubbly cheek.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      “To bed, to bed, to bed!”