On a recent Glibzoom the question of how best to achieve libertopia was proposed, and I gave m
y scenario I’ve used over the last 20 years. It was quite well received, as honestly all my ideas are because I’m amazing. So I thought I would share this simple process with the whole class. Now keep in mind, I am not a standard libertarian. I am, of course, a Constitutional Property Rights Minarchist. But, This process would get us as close to the libertopia all you miscreants yearn for.
To achieve maximum freedom while still keeping a functional society I think it the transition makes itself very clear. You start out where we are today. Each day you remove one law or regulation. Hell, the number of laws and regulations we have you could probably repeal one every minute and this process would still probably take decades. (OHHH new idea! We repeal one law or regulation for each dollar the government wants to spend! The velocity of money yo!)
We would start off with the most farcical of laws. Ones 99% percent of people agree should go (Sheboygan WI Sec. 70-153. – Sprinkling of prop
erty. No persons shall, with purpose or intent, sprinkle their property in any manner to the distress or annoyance of others.).
From there we work down the list. No matter the metric for speed of repeal, it will be slow, because there are so many damned laws. But, we’ve learned from the frog boiling Progressives that slow change makes for amenable zombies…er…I mean citizens.
So after years or decades or however long it takes, the big government folks tell us that one day this will lead to chaos. So that is how we proceed. We keep repealing laws, regulations and ordinances until we find that final straw that breaks the camel’s back. We go from peaceful suburbia to the Mad Max Wastelands without This One Neat Trick. So, when that one regulation about about the mattress tag is repealed and all of a sudden there are roving gangs of cannibals and our own Lord Humongous rules the wastes and commands the last of the guzzoline, we just put that one back. That apparently is the glue that holds the world together. And that would be end of the expansion of government. If society doesn’t reform? At least we get to live in one of the most badass end of days scenarios.
Do you have a newsletter?
I’m more interested in whether he has hookers and blow.
They aren’t mutually exclusive.
Do you have a newsletter?
Oh, &^*(, I thought I’d fixed that.
We haven’t even started repealing laws yet and the squirrelz are starting on their libertarian dystopia.
[licks middle finger sloppily, plans best path of attack on Hank’s ear canal]
First sub’ is free. Extra copies gonna cost, yo.
Oh, it’s biweekly?
I’m not in on your Zoom conversation, but as a fellow-traveller, I can say what would be most helpful for the common goal of getting the government at different levels to at least slim down a bit.
First would be a willingness to work with anyone who agrees the government is doing too much and is going in the wrong direction – they may have their own destination in mind which is far from Libertopia, but which would be better than what we got now. So there would be no selling-out involved in such coalitions. There are *certain people* (who cannot be named here) who refuse to reach out to perfectly plausible allies for fear of ritual contamination and losing cocktail party invitations. I’m thinking of the Goshen from which you fled several years ago and their various commentators.
Next would be an education campaign to show certain people – otherwise-intelligent people who realize the regime is messed up – who think libertarians are the enemy. Like I said before, they’re preaching to Uncle Sam to avoid anorexia when what he needs is to cut the fat. It’s sad. The “postliberals” are promising in so many ways, but when they start going on about how Americans just have too much liberty, they start sounding more like the problem and not the solution.
And I suppose some would say focus on popular causes, but things are bad enough you may need to be Jeremiahs, and as things get worse, more people may be interested in what you have to say (and subscribe to your newsletter). Just a few random thoughts.
Am I missing some nerdy culture reference with the title or is it just nonsense CPRM came up with? Google gave me nothing.
You’re just not cool enough to know.
Story of my life. ?
I like nonsense titles.
We need to get Kampered Kristen some Glib-centric decorations for her new digs.
Who’s in?
ref
LOL but where’s the mirror on the ceiling
She mentioned before wanting a woodburning of this. I approve.
“Don’t come a-knockin’ if….”
pass or repeal any law you wish
so long as Anthony Scaramucci and Omarosa Manigault Newman are empaneled to continue their great work
But, but ,but some people would starve.
Only if progs refuse to step up. But they hate that response.
I like it.
“I am, of course, a Constitutional Property Rights Minarchist.”
Hoppeans has a sad.
“a Constitutional Property Rights Minarchist”
The guys with the commune in Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
I also like it but what about all the “administrative rules” and “executive decisions” that did not go through any legislative process. Those fuckers are more damaging than most actual laws.
Maybe you can cut one bureaucracy with each rule.
OK, you do mention “regulations”.
I reed gud.
Dept of Ed, Energy, etc. Those alphabet depts that produce nothing except paper
Two bureaucrats enter…
Two bureaucrats enter…
I’m so sorry, I took every precaution, I don’t know how it happened.
Good night, I seem to have inadvertently hit my posting quota.
Real bureaucrats would post in triplicate.
*golf clap*
Meet Hank; The Squirrel Whisperer.
“Each day you remove one law or regulation”
This is an obvious given and I doubt there is one person here who does not agree.
Does the next part involve mulching devices? Because if not, you’re going something wrong.
Actually on topic, TOS had a great interview with Coase back in the late 90s.
When he worked for Regulation, he tried to figure out the good from bad, on cost/benefit terms or something. He found that none were good. He was looking at new regs.
Obviously, some are good. But my theory is we had reached the point of diminishing returns where the interaction of ALL the regs meant any new one was bad.
We are too far gone. This proposal would work, but qe probably could roll back the last 50 years at one fell swoop without any issue.
It may have to come more suddenly, like, for example, if there’s (hypothetically) a situation where things are getting progressively worse (in both senses of progressive) and freedom-fanciers are actually listened to when they make the case that the regime is too ambitious and greedy, and doesn’t have Joe and Jose and Kendra Sixpack’s interests at heart. A hard sell since the usual reaction to a bad regime is to embrace people who say “we’re at the edge of a precipice and must take a giant step forward!”
Correct.
Here’s why it won’t happen. Whether it happens all at once or a bit at a time, it will be the end of the economic shenanigans. People will suffer, and there will be new laws passed to slap a patch on the suffering.
*off to urgent care clinic, hopefully my toes are just sprained, not broken*
Ouch! good luck.
Break a leg!
Stop! Stop! Stop! Don’t break anything!
/Experienced breaker
OH GOD! OH GOD! YOU WISHED THIS ON ME, YOU BASTARD!! AAAAHHHHHHH!!!
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Wait…why would a muppet have toes?
?
That’s a question only a Muppet racist would ask. It’s like asking why deaf people have ears.
It’s not the toes that I’m concerned about.
I love that one. I think trshy’s handle used to link to it.
Good lord, how have I not seen that before?
Amazing.
https://youtu.be/b_An-IwN4QU
Hoping for the best outcome.
You are not allowed to be a broken toe twinkie. Not after I broke mine (multiple) last week. Recover quickly!
You, too! I only broke one toe, so they taped it to the next toe and sent me home with instructions to pop ibuprofen.
Sorry Trashy. Feel better.
An example of the ratchet only going one way, from Florida.
We had a highrise condo collapse in Miami. It was built about 40 or 50 years ago. The residents knew there was a problem. They declined to pay for repairs. For years.
So now the left is demanding new state laws to address this and make sure it never happens again!!
There is already local laws that prevent this. There are building codes, inspections. They were not followed by the city and county. There are covenants and contracts. They were not followed by the condo owners…. they were required to repair the situation, but didn’t want to spend the money.
Plenty of blame to go around…. but the first place they are looking is to sue the builders and the second is to pass new laws. Nobody even bothers to make a case… they just say “if you don’t do something, people will die!”
It is insane, but they are using it as a cudgel against DiSantis and the legislature. It is on the news a lot.
That sprinkler truck is…interesting.
Country boys can survive! C’mon, man, you’re in your own yard.
I tracked down the image, it appeared on r/Funny under the heading “Russian sprinkler system.”
So I’m guessing it will shoot its stream into neighboring yards.
What about 2% of the laws each year?
Nah. Nukes.
Anyone see Sea lately?
Roving gangs of cannabis would also be acceptable.
Night shift!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ApQrbhQp8
I was posting on a dead thread. Hey LCDR_Fish, check the forum for a copy of some old Commie movie you might like.
Y’all know about that JD Vance guy Trump is supporting? That guy is fake as Pelosis’s face. Complete fucking fraud.
Can’t be faker than Dr. Oz.
No, I think he can be. He claims to be Appalachian, trust me, he is NOT. Born there, maybe? Complete outsider if he was, fake, fake, fake.
*shrug* Oz is a flaming leftist. I think that trumps anything Vance has(n’t) said.
I don’t know anything about Oz, but Vance wrote this book and I read a preview, limited amount of it on Amazon, and I was like WTF? Fake ass little weasle, spotted in a matter of minutes…
Oh, that book. I saw him on Tucker and something seemed off about him.
A lot of people seem to be agreeing that Trump’s endorsements are shit.
Which kind of makes me happy.
#MeToo
His pickings seem to be as well thought out and effective as his underling hires.
So much for retiring into a kingmaker role. Trump 2024 ahoy.
Fuck you safari. I had a perfectly cromulent comment and you fucking reloaded your fucking window you fucking piece of Tim Cook’s flatulence.
Well, Apple is overpriced garbage, what do you want?
The only thing more tedious than Region War is OS/computer manufacturer War.
Taste’s great!
Less filling?
You got your Windows in my Mac!
I can upgrade mine and make it taste like chocalate!
One of the very few issues I’ve had with my app that I develped for my biggest client, one of the weirdest issues I’ve ever seen was reported by a guy on a Mac, using a certain version of Safari. It was like he’d click on a command button and nothing would happen. So I found two other people with Safari on Mac and it worked for both of them, different version of Safari. I asked the guy can you try another browser? Worked, so I just told him upgrade your Safari or use another browser, works for eveyone else.
Each day you remove one law or regulation.
And every night the legislature passes two more laws…
Speaking of which, that FL judge’s ruling pisses me off. She starts off by stating that federal law requires masks on public transportation. No. It. Fucking. Does. Not. There is no law passed by Congress that does such a thing. There was a federal regulation or order from an administrative agency requiring it but that is not a law. Agencies cannot issue laws(*), Judge Dipshit. Go back to Schoolhouse Rock. It would provide a better legal education than whatever law school you graduated from.
This also reminds me of how pissed it makes me that hearings officials are now called administrative law judges, as if agency employees were neutral parties who rule based on the law and facts rather than merely upholding agency policy.
*stop laughing
It’s so as many people as possible get to be called “judge,” even after they get new jobs or retire.
Now I want to ride the NYC subway without a mask and sue the shit out them when they try to claim it’s still “law”.
https://youtu.be/MJiBjfvltQw
https://youtu.be/q6cyDsuNx_U
This was pretty funny.
And no one expects the Quordle Inquisition!
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Your post’s theme song
https://youtu.be/Rtd6GOEcXXk
WTF? That is totally gay!
Gay +1
This is not a, well, it’s a weird reply, but after I watched it rain all day and no sun, I thought of this video:
Great song for even the most rainy day Fine, Fine Day
That’s not awful.
But my link directly references Gustave’s and is therefore better.
You got your 80’s in my 90’s!
My 70’s tastes like peanut butter.
I’m a prove it!
STEVE SMITH SAY AGAINST WALL!
Pfft mine is from 1998.
What do the two 80’s songs you linked taste like?
“What do the two 80’s songs you linked taste like?”
Peanut butter in my chocolate and upgradable OS?
My 70’s tasted like Hubba-Bubba and cigarettes.
Ideally, the 80’s songs taste like (80’s) Jane Wiedlin
Oh! Cocaine and Hubba-Bubba, then. I could live with that.
Sounds a bit like Saint Etienne
Very pretty girl, I like the song too.
Indeed! Nice rack, too.
She’s gorgeous.
My 70’s girl was Anne Wilson before she devoured the rest of the band.
“My 70’s girl was Anne Wilson before she devoured the rest of the band.”
My 70s GF was Anne Wilson and that girl going down on each other every night.
Oh yeah. I’ve seen S.E. Good show.
+2
Lol
Any property owners, hereabout? Anyone else notice that your home has suddenly become worth about a third more than it was last year? The crash is coming, folks.
No, dude, no one has noticed that. I mean at least not anyone who has’nt been consious for the last year. Democrat voter?, I mean dead people?
Look, there is no way to buy in the current market… well there is, but you have to be really careful, the prices are insanely inflated. This is unsustainable. We are waiting for one year to buy and hoping it self corrects, it has to, there is no way this can continue.
*bides time*
I’m a little surprised it has sustained so long, but the eventual bubble pop is just as predictable as the inflation.
Unless our landlord forces our hand, we’re just gonna chill here renting until prices come back to earth. Maybe we won’t get a full crash, but 7.5 to 8 home price to household income ratio
can’t be sustained.
/premature submission
We’re doing the same thing, you know this is unsustainable.
Won’t necessarily be a full “crash” everywhere, either. I bought in 2009 but it was just the barest of dips around here.
It feels like a much more broad based price bubble this time around. Mid range places in the Ozarks (where we are looking) are up 6 figures since late 2019. East Texas houses are up less, but still near $100k rise in the same period. Our house in VA is worth $135k more than we sold it for in mid-2020, and we made $95k on top of our purchase price in 2017. Here in DFW, prices are stupid. This market is primed for a bigger crash. Houses that would’ve brought $250k in 2019 now selling for $550k. Absurd.
Prices where I am looking are up 50-200% everywhere, it is absurd.
I noticed the same thing. Zilliw thinks my house has doubled in value. My head says take the money.
So I start looking in out of the way places. Carthage, Tennessee, more than an hour from Nashville. Little 2 bedroom dumps from the 40s are in the 300s. Plenty of half million dollar homes. What?
North Florida, middle of nowhere, same thing.
North Carolina… outside Salisbury…. 400k homes under 2,000 Square feet. What the hell?
I didn’t even see homes under 200k. Not really much under 300k.
How is that the price of a starter home?
I have a friend who bought a condo in NYC about a decade ago. She’s probably rolling in a swimming pool of gold coins now.
I’m not sure if she is going to be more rich or less when she’s the only one still living there in the near future.
We have a modest home on 1/4 acre that is apparently worth 300 K now. Last year it was 180k. It’s a quiet, safe neighborhood but nothing special.
Having a famous person (you) living there raises the value.
+CAD120k Festud
You guys are assholes.
Goddamn CPRM! I’m so fond of you!
THERE ARE CHEMICALS IN THE WATER TURNING THE FESTUS GAY!
WE’RE DOOMED
Just your imagintion because you were already gay, stop blaming it on the water.
Heh
Relevant.
In Kansas City they’ve went down on each other as fur as they can go?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE1f6GUvG5Y
How is it that anyone does not already know this?
Now do “Chile”
Chee-lay
*fruitlessly searches for clip of Beavis and Butthead’s teacher saying ‘Chile’*
If anyone does not prounance it the way I just showed it, I mean as the country, the are wrong, period.
Now do “Nürnberg”. Oh, wait. We’re not doing politically-correct pronunciations for Germany. ’K.
Klaus is upset with you…
Bay-jzing.
Vienna. (Or Veena sausages if your one of those people)
And so on.
The sausages and the city pronounciation are exactly the same. Now, does anyone have any more pics of gorgeous girls?
You know who else wanted more Austrian girls?
Ahnuld?
https://youtu.be/7KYS6xeoBnc
Everybody was Firsting
Those cats were fast as lightning
In fact, it was a little bit frightening
But they Firsted with expert timing
Tonight there’s gonna be a Firster
Somewhere in this town,
Tonight there’s gonna be a Firster
So don’t you be around.
Brochetta Brochetta!
This is the respect that The Bro deserves.
Mine is better. Admit it!
Festus, I have given your due as a Firster.
Do not think that you can challenge The First Of All Firsters. It will be your ruin.
Another clickjacking.
You were Rick rolled?
I don’t remember what that means.
It sounds so early aughts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickjacking
I click post comment and some unrelated website opens. It’s happened before here but not for a while.
I can’t imagine why anyone would attack our little place.
I would say get thee to an adblocker if you don’t have one.
I keep getting spam on this site. Weird numerical arrays keep showing up and I believe they are some kind of satanic messages.
I tell you it’s the commetn bots core dumping.
Next patch this will go away.
If KK is around. Judi is actually quite adept at wood-burning. She could set you up right quick.
I’m going to just leave that alone.
Judy burns his wood after he uses the mushroom maker.
Mentos!
The Fresh Maker!
It’s my Friday night! Woooooooo!
Good article CPRM.
It really was. I lurve him in a platonic way, by the way.
There is no love between man and Firster.
Sorry Ozy. Screw you Nazgûl. I hope you all get forcibly injected with a full schedule of FYTW delivered with 4/0 gauge needles.
Right in the knee-cap.
This explains some things.
https://dailycaller.com/2022/04/18/joe-biden-critical-race-theory-crenshaw-white-house/
Ah, an early proponent of woke gibberish.
Excuse me Vice President Koko, no one cares about your “gammy”.
Divide and conquer? Fuck these assholes!
Whelp, I’m shit-faced. Supposed to be taking meds but I’m not. Five weeks worth of work left and then it’s over forever. Not quite sure what to think about that.
I just finished a ten hour shift then rode my bike home through a snowstorm. maybe I can quit in 20 or 30 more years.
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With two boneheaded guesses, I need to pay more attention.
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Recovered from a terrible start. Hail Mary on the top left.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IxR1xluLvAs
#ThrashTuesday
Damn, that Florida ruling did make a difference!
Per the news, masks are off…and yet the news guy still wears one…
*sigh*
Where’s that comet?
There’s one in every crowd.
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/im-just-freaked-out-hollywood-hills-resident-home-watching-tv-as-masked-intruders-break-in/
Buy.A.Gun.
Forget it Sean, it’s Californiatown.
Mornin.
https://www.nj.com/politics/2022/04/murphy-open-to-banning-off-duty-nj-cops-from-consuming-weed.html
Heh.
Repost:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dJgs3lLUGII
You will never be this cool.
I loved the one comment about raising children of the korn.
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/science/japan-researchers-develop-electric-chopsticks-enhance-salty-taste-2022-04-19/
“He’s also developed a lickable TV screen that can imitate various food flavours.”
The snozzberries taste like snozzberries.
testing
suh’ fam
whats goody
Good morning, homey, Hank (welcome to the early morning Glib crew!) Sean, Yu, Teh Hype, and Ted’S! (And I see you down there, HE!)
Another stinkin’ freeze warning here in SW OH! To whom may I direct my complaints? I can go Full Karen on someone! Just watch!
I have the news on- Gabby got a haircut!
/apropos of nothing
As if by magic, just pulled it on my laptop.
Can Dontre Drexelius possibly be a real name?
Thank you. I thought I was the only one that felt that way.
Breakfast of champions
Waffles.
AccuWeather just sent this out.
Mebbe I should rethink commuting through Spring Mountain to Vegas today….
at least you have a Tesla and arent driving a panel-van
Some of the modern vans look like they’re so top heavy they could be pushed over by a strong sneeze. Driving one of those in a windstorm has to be a white knuckle affair.
I dont know which is worse- a 20′ panel van through the Wisonsin Dells during high winds or a 350 lb Suzuki 600 on the interstate. Ive experienced both.
Pucker Factor > 900
My model Y is about 4555 pounds, and it’s a very low center of gravity due to the batteries.
The model 3 is 4250 lbs and even closer to the ground; If I do decide to go today, I’ll probably take that one. When Tesla was going through road testing, they couldn’t tip it over. They tried going faster, even increasing the banking angle, and eventually labeled the model 3 “untippable”.
Tread lightly, HE
I just had to get out of bed to close windows due to the wind picking up. And that’s here in the valley ar only 3000 ft!!
I am not going to chance the drive today. “Stay away from windows”?? “Power outages expected”?!?
Yeah, nah. Think I’ll cool my jets today.
Careful! Sounds like a good day to chill out at home.
Morning, Glibs.
suh’ cuh
Good Morning UCS, HS, GT, et al.
Suns’ coming up, going to be a good day…..
In more annoying news, i think I have to take another sheep to the vet. She is a good sheep mama, gave birth to twins. But has maybe a bulge on her right side. So the old xc-90 will be doing truck duty again.
We have had a lot of wind in OK again. But being out in the country, its much more apparent that if you are in the city.
I hope she recovers.
Best wishes to mama sheep.
Good morning, ‘bodru! Hope Mama Ewe is OK. I have to lug the Big Dumb Cat to the vet this afternoon for his shots, but the worst I’m expecting is to be told he needs to go on a diet.
Good luck with mama sheep.
Twins are pretty common for sheep, aren’t they?
I hope everyone has a good day, 2 legged folks and four legged alike.
Good morning, U. WFH day?
Yes, fortunately. I was able to cook up some italian sausage and sauteed mushrooms for breakfast. (just started eating) beats whatever I can scrounge on those days I have to rush out the door.
Good mornin’
I have a couple pictures for you, UCS.
Do you have my email address?
Still at yahoo?
Yep, drop a line and you win the prize.
email sent.
Easter as recounted in the Hindustan Times:
“People tend to splurge during Easter as it comes after 40 days of Lent. Brightly painted chocolate-filled eggs are exchanged, and Easter Bunny delivers chocolate eggs to kids, there are Easter eggs hunts and plenty more fun activities on Easter.”
https://www.hindustantimes.com/lifestyle/festivals/easter-2022-date-history-significance-celebration-of-the-christian-festival-101650111250618.html
Chocolate-filled eggs? “Forget it, he’s rolling.”
Mornin’, reprobates.
Reading the post (nicely done CPRM), this came to mind WRT the straw that broke the camel’s back.
https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1986/11/26
Occasionally mistakes are made by the bridge builders or the truck loaders
Good morning, ‘patzie!
So – C&H. Best comic strip ever? I believe one could make a good case for that.
Mornin’, GT! Best strip ever, and Calvin’s dad is my role model.
Can’t disagree, but I also have a special place in my heart for Agnes.
I heard the new rationalization on home prices. Millennial are finally ready to start buying. That huge glut of buyers is driving up prices.
So sayeth the lady on NPR yesterday.
No mention of Blackrock and other investors snapping up properties.
Neither explanation works well for me, but at least the Millenial take explains why it is so widespread.
NPR lady also said work from home means people can live anywhere, so prices are up everywhere.
I still don’t get it. Millennials are so broke i have to pay their student loan for them, but they are buying 400k starter homes in podunk Kentucky?
I had a 37% bump in my assessed value for next year’s taxes. I never thought I’d be living in such an expensive house.
Hey, Mom, look at me now, haven’t had a job for 30 years.
A starter home is something like the $82k shoebox I own. Almost half a million in podunk kentucky should be palacial.
Used townhomes around here are selling for $300k. Not high end.
Madness.
Just looked at one of my childhood homes in Rochester – 94K. My mom bought it 1979 for around 22K.
Gigantic mansions on nearby Seneca Parkway are going for around 250K.
Plenty of bargains in depressed Rust Belt towns…
I just took a look at the neighborhood where I grew up in syracuse.
In my mental map, the street my childhood home is one ran east-west. On the map is has moved to north-south.
The only business that is still there is the bank where I opened my first checking account. The pizza place, the convenience store, the meat market – gone.
You want a condemned building older than the us? Come to NH where you too can own rotting wood for a mere 400,000
Working from home is the rationale used by the local banditos but zoning laws are the real culprit. Still, teachers need a pay raise to keep up with inflation.
I learned the term “Zoomtown” (a play on Boomtown) last year during Covid. People who were making $100-300k in cities then moved into small towns doing telework for their same employers but suddenly had waaay more disposable income due to the decrease in their cost of living.
So they paid far more for cars, houses, etc than the small town locals, thus driving up the housing prices.
Seems plausible.
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So now we got mascots running interference for the president.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10729139/Easter-bunny-interrupts-Biden-takes-selfies-kids-starts-discussing-Afghanistan.html
HOLY MACKEREL! So, the conversation about housing got me a bit curious, so I checked my neighborhood. Our development is comprised of large buildings divided into 4 duplex town-homes. They sold, brand new, in 2011 for $500K. The construction would NEVER pass inspection in Florida or Louisiana; they are built like vertical mobile homes. Wind blows through the light sockets on exterior walls, the building has settled to the point where a couple doors do not close and a ball will roll across the house on its own, the yard (having the topsoil and my lovely garden washed away by SuperDuperStorm Sandy) is nothing but garbage fill, etc. These units are on Zillow for $1.7 million. I guess I’m renting for the rest of my days.
Link to a house several doors down from me – https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/123-Beach-62nd-St-Far-Rockaway-NY-11692/122031906_zpid/